Berger to introduce 7mm 195 gr EOL Hybrid Hunting Bullet

[barefooter56]

Guys,
The Berger 7mm 195 EOL bullet is now included in our twist rate calculator !!! Again , our apologies for the delay.
Have a great weekend !!!

 

[MudRunner2005]

Guys,
The Berger 7mm 195 EOL bullet is now included in our twist rate calculator !!! Again , our apologies for the delay.
Have a great weekend !!!

Don't sweat it Phil, it was never a big deal, I was just making note of it before. But that's good to know. Thanks.

 

[Swamplife]

The .028" was the difference in the average length I measured (1.620") versus what Bryan listed (1.648") not the variance in the OAL I measured from the bullets I have. The OAL difference I saw was only .007" and that was due to a rough metplat on the longest one. Most were within .002". What I wasn't sure about, because I didn't spend the time to run it through the calculator, was the effect the .028" difference would make on stability. I doubt it's much or even noticeable unless your already on the ragged edge.

Nate

I put the numbers in the Berger calculator only changing the length from 1.620 to 1.648. It changed the Stability from 1.54 to 1.47. Length of the bullet, even when very minor had a larger effect on stability than I would of thought.


Darren

 

[trappers son]

does anyone have quickload? I wanted to get some guestimates on powder range before I start loading up my rounds.... I know it doesn't have the bullet, but the barnes 195 would suffice to just get me data to analyze. I have wildcat with a 91 grn case capacity to the top of the neck based off the 7mm weatherby case. I wanted to try reloder 33 and h1000 and compare them.

 

[JeffVN]

Trappers son

I run mine from a 7 Dakota using Retumbo.

I expect that Retumbo, RL-33, VV570, and H1000 will all work for your use.

JeffVN

 

[JeffVN]

sorry not sure how that got doubled as an upload.

JeffVN

 

[Blacktail63]

does anyone have quickload? I wanted to get some guestimates on powder range before I start loading up my rounds.... I know it doesn't have the bullet, but the barnes 195 would suffice to just get me data to analyze. I have wildcat with a 91 grn case capacity to the top of the neck based off the 7mm weatherby case. I wanted to try reloder 33 and h1000 and compare them.

I have a bullet profile entered for the 195 Berger in QL. This profile worked well in producing powder chgs for my 28Nosler. Here you go. Start low and work up carefully! This is a case capacity of 91gr of water.

Cartridge : 7 mm Weath. Mag.
Bullet : .284, 195, Berger Hunt VLD
Useable Case Capaci: 78.834 grain H2O = 5.119 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.360 inch = 85.34 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 62000 psi, or 427 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 105 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
206 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 85%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
ADI AR 2218 103.9 80.5 5.21 3019 99.8 62000 15066 1.327 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N570 99.5 76.2 4.94 2975 99.5 62000 14682 1.360 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 80 102.6 80.9 5.24 2969 99.9 62000 14426 1.359 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-33 100.0 79.9 5.18 2964 99.7 62000 14521 1.363 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-50 105.0 82.5 5.35 2937 99.3 60193 14810 1.407 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H870 105.0 78.8 5.11 2931 99.9 60660 14024 1.379 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2225 103.1 75.3 4.88 2920 100.0 62000 12622 1.355 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Retumbo 103.1 75.3 4.88 2920 100.0 62000 12622 1.355 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 217 105.0 75.1 4.87 2916 100.0 61617 12945 1.384 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 91.5 70.7 4.58 2898 99.9 62000 13223 1.368 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 91.2 67.7 4.39 2897 100.0 62000 12942 1.360 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP30 98.6 71.7 4.64 2896 100.0 62000 12856 1.375 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 2 98.6 71.7 4.64 2896 100.0 62000 12856 1.375 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517 94.0 72.9 4.72 2895 100.0 62000 12662 1.362 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori 24N41 102.7 79.5 5.15 2894 96.0 62000 13793 1.346 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12 93.8 72.8 4.71 2893 100.0 62000 12630 1.362 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 90.3 67.4 4.37 2885 100.0 62000 12488 1.351 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 95.4 67.4 4.37 2885 100.0 62000 12488 1.351 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 2214 95.3 71.9 4.66 2881 100.0 62000 12268 1.345 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2217 100.2 72.0 4.67 2879 100.0 62000 12236 1.345 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H1000 100.2 72.0 4.67 2879 100.0 62000 12236 1.345 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 89.3 67.7 4.39 2877 100.0 62000 12366 1.372 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213 91.5 67.2 4.35 2876 100.0 62000 12439 1.347 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-26 88.0 68.7 4.45 2875 100.0 62000 12187 1.385 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 70 86.9 67.2 4.36 2868 100.0 62000 12014 1.356 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25 96.4 69.7 4.51 2866 100.0 62000 11921 1.366 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR 94.0 67.6 4.38 2864 100.0 62000 12320 1.367 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP15 94.0 67.6 4.38 2864 100.0 62000 12320 1.367 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 91.5 67.2 4.36 2864 100.0 62000 12291 1.367 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 91.5 67.2 4.36 2864 100.0 62000 12291 1.367 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15 91.5 67.2 4.36 2864 100.0 62000 12291 1.367 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation 95.2 70.5 4.57 2862 99.9 62000 12598 1.346 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors 12,7mmRA NC1214 Lot20115087 105.0 80.7 5.23 2862 93.6 59389 14438 1.425 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905 93.0 67.1 4.35 2849 100.0 62000 12201 1.364 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum 91.5 72.4 4.69 2842 100.0 62000 11755 1.371 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N170 103.2 74.2 4.81 2834 98.7 62000 12724 1.375 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 88.8 64.2 4.16 2831 100.0 62000 11722 1.352 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 89.2 64.8 4.20 2829 100.0 62000 11774 1.359 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 89.9 65.3 4.23 2824 100.0 62000 11701 1.359 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 94.3 66.6 4.32 2823 100.0 62000 11871 1.355 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC 90.7 66.6 4.32 2823 100.0 62000 11871 1.355 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D100 100.5 78.6 5.09 2822 96.4 62000 12719 1.364 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 87.6 63.7 4.13 2811 100.0 62000 11518 1.358 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 87.6 63.7 4.13 2811 100.0 62000 11518 1.358 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon US 869 105.0 81.3 5.27 2796 94.7 56019 13488 1.425 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-23 93.3 66.3 4.30 2796 100.0 62000 11045 1.385 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon 50BMG 105.0 77.5 5.02 2795 91.1 55685 13704 1.424 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904 88.7 63.5 4.12 2795 100.0 62000 11362 1.356 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 88.4 67.7 4.39 2790 100.0 62000 11263 1.367 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385 89.3 65.6 4.25 2788 100.0 62000 11188 1.381 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160 94.7 66.0 4.28 2780 100.0 62000 11180 1.360 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165 94.2 67.7 4.39 2779 100.0 62000 10984 1.373 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation 85.5 63.1 4.09 2778 100.0 62000 11001 1.372 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361 88.0 68.1 4.41 2774 100.0 62000 11271 1.367 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 87.4 62.1 4.03 2770 100.0 62000 10838 1.360 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350 85.8 62.0 4.02 2768 100.0 62000 10810 1.360 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S071 97.1 66.8 4.33 2764 100.0 62000 10820 1.402 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100 91.9 66.8 4.33 2764 100.0 62000 10820 1.402 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 88.6 61.7 4.00 2755 100.0 62000 10563 1.386 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 85.5 61.8 4.01 2755 100.0 62000 10446 1.392 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 13 105.0 78.0 5.05 2736 97.7 52439 12909 1.482
Accurate 8700 105.0 79.6 5.16 2734 97.7 50663 12987 1.483
Vihtavuori 20N29 105.0 82.1 5.32 2726 95.6 50503 13359 1.505
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 86.7 61.0 3.95 2723 100.0 62000 9991 1.382 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 513/520/9520 105.0 78.0 5.05 2683 96.0 49146 12825 1.524
Vihtavuori N150 85.4 58.5 3.79 2667 100.0 62000 9511 1.388 ! Near Maximum !
NC A3502 ,test only 105.0 74.6 4.84 2497 76.8 41697 11785 1.605
TLP A 502(RH) ,test only 105.0 74.6 4.84 2464 78.8 39985 11562 1.648
Vihtavuori N32C Tin Star 96.1 34.8 2.26 2028 100.0 62000 4654 1.463 ! Near Maximum !
V1734 7-multiperf ,test only 105.0 74.6 4.84 1771 38.3 21264 5876 2.184
IMR TrailBoss 105.0 25.7 1.67 1729 100.0 39990 3565 1.778
ADI AS 25 BP 105.0 25.7 1.67 1729 100.0 39990 3565 1.778

 

[trappers son]

Wow that is freekin awesome.... Thank you so much.... I can finally go in without being blind and scared of blowing myself up.....HA You are the first person I have heard of that has the 195 berger bullet profile... I will have a bit more confidence now.... thank you....
I appreciate that you set the max psi to 62,000 as well. it will give me some wiggle room so I am not getting close to the wall. it will help save my brass and my head..
You are the MAN Blacktail!!! God bless you sir.... I owe you a round or something.... In the meantime you have my gratitude...
This is a quality forum because of the rich knowledge and experiences shared freely amongst good people. It helps keep the American traditions of the outdoorsmen alive....
Cheers

 

[Swamplord]

The one 7 to rule them all !

All hail the new king ...... 7mm Slayer !

 

[RH300UM]

The one 7 to rule them all !

All hail the new king ...... 7mm Slayer !

Details?
338 Lapua based?

 

[Swamplord]

The band of bruisers spawned by the Big Jeff have a new member join the clan Jeffery .........
He goes by the name 7mm Slayer, and also known as the 7mm S.O.B
( Slayer of Bodies ) .....

Rifle is built on a Sako M995 TRGS donor with a 30" Bartlein 5r 7 twist barrel , reamer in production at JGS and will be available to order by anyone in a few months .......
My intention is to run with the 3.850" Accurate Mags so cartridge oal with the Bergers is at 3.750"
case h20 capacity is 140 gr to top of case mouth and 136 gr to neck/shoulder junction

in photo below are die formed Norma cases set up for fireforming ......... dimensions are pretty close and will sharpen up/fill out when fired ....... Norma brass was easy to neck down without annealing,
something not possible with Jamison made 500 Jeffery brass .....

 

[chuckhammer]

140 gr H2O? Are you sure that's big enough?

 

[MudRunner2005]

I have absolutely ZERO need for it, but I can't help but want one of those .375 Mjolnirs.

 

[esshup]

Estimated performance of the 7mm and the .338?