WYO300RUM
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Xlnt advice . I hope others heed.
Bear protection handguns?
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Do you own a 1911 45acp ? If ypu can find the loads , the 450smc is equal to or superior ( bullet weight ) to full bore 10mm loads . All you need in order to fire 450smc loads in a 1911, or any other well built 45acp (HK/SIG220) is a heavy recoil spring. I have a 22lbs spring for my sw1911e for firing the hot loads. Same spring Wilson puts in all their full size 10mm 1911s.
I am not disagreeing with you, but it is hard to convince the wife that you need a new gun if bear spray works good. I still carry my .41 Mag Blackhawk for backup after 40 years.
As far as the danger of blackies compared to grizzlies, i lean on the advice from a guide that teaches bear safety in ski country where my sister used to take her family in Colorado. According to his advice, you can play dead with a grizz and most of the time it will loose interest after he roughs you up a little. If a black bear aggressively attacks, and its not an over protective sow, it has a meal on its mind. He says FIGHT till your last breath because blackie is gonna eat you
HRM Johnny
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I respectfully disagree. Sincerely, I mean no offense. One method of practicing with a pistol is to triple tap the trigger. If one is engaging a single target (E. G. A bear) I would say one should more than triple tap the trigger. With a 10 mm one can dump 8 to 10 rounds and a four inch Circle rapid fire With practice. The keyword being practice.
Just my two cents worth.
The area of Idaho where I hunt currently has seen the big three of predators; bear, cougar, and wolves. All of these are very susceptible to a well placed round from my 4" 7 shot 357 mag. Easy to carry and comfortable to shoot creates confidence should the needed occasion arise. I've had all three witching 500 yards of my home so the odds of me encountering one of them on a hunt is significant. Just be "practice ready" with whatever you chose to carry.
brentru
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I'm using the same shooter but with 200 gr. PC hardcast.
No doubt there could be a time where one could well get off more than a couple rounds, I however wouldn't bet on it. Bear fights are over very quickly. Keep in mind that a G bear can travel up to 35 mph and or 45 feet per second....
And unfortunately IMO and IME not many people who feel that they can defend via a handgun are practiced enough to really do so. I know a fella who hasn't fired his handgun in 15 years and yet he scoffs at the idea of suggesting bear spray...........seriously!
WYO300RUM
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My thoughts are it's better to have a pistol or bear spray than not. Your gambling either way if your going to have time to use it. At least I know if I'm on the ground with a griz on me I may have the chance to unload on him with a pistol. Spraying the bear with bear spray while on the ground would incompasitate you most likely .
We would all like to think we could get to our pistol before being attacked by a bear, but your rifle should already be in your hands. The pistol is there for if you have time to get to it. Wally, a friend of mine was hunting elk near Yellowstone years ago when a grizzly attacked him from behind and tore him up pretty bad. After he laid there for a while, he got up and she had circled and attacked him again. She had knocked the rifle out of his hands right away, so maybe he could have drawn a pistol during the attack. He was not willing to go back and try again with a pistol.
Trooper1
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Dogs, you hit the nail on the head. If you are going to be effective with your weapon - be it a rifle OR handgun - you must practice with it, in situations in which it most likely will be used. And firing a couple of magazines through it once a year isn't going to cut it. To think otherwise is foolish.
HRM Johnny
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I like Glocks. If you decide to buy a Glock learn how to shoot it. It's not like a 1911. The Glock has to be pressed as far down in your hand as possible. If it is not down fat enough, it will have significantly greater than average recoil. If it is down as far as it will go it will have significantly lower than average recoil. this assumes that you are holding it correctly press the back of your palms together; and point your thumbs at the target.
The Glock has a white dot on the front sight. (I assume you Already know this, but I'll say it anyway.) The white dot should be perfectly in focus. Your rear sight is slightly blurry. The target is a blurr. Focus on the white dot. Concentrate on the white dot. You should be concentrating on the dot forcing yourself to keep it totally in focus. At close range. You don't spend much time considering the rear sight. Put the white dot on the target, and fire. (Again, I'm sure you already know this, but I'll say it anyway.) Both eyes are always open. With your dominant eye you are concentrating on that white dot. Put the white dot where you want the bullet to go. Practice rapid firing the pistol. At a distance of 5 to 7 yards practice double tapping the trigger. Then triple tap the trigger. Keep going until you can put 8 to 10 rounds in a four inch Circle at 5 to 7 yards.
- I am sure there are many videos on the Internet that can do a great job teaching you how to handle that pistol for defense against a bear. Done by experts, who have much more education in such matters than I do. I'm no expert I just know how I do it.
just my two cents worth.
I hope it helps.
p.s. I meant to post this right after my other post. For some reason I didn't post and it's just been sitting here so I'm posting it now.
