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Barnes's Tests Prove Why Berger Hunting VLDs Are So Successful By Eric Stecker

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Destroying edible meat just so you can have a "bang-flop experience" is not reason enough to choose a Berger VLD.

True, I choose to use Bergers as much as I can because I have less meat loss than any other conventional bullet, much less than the Accubond, added bonus is I have far less tracking to do with the Berger also. Second choice is the Accubond for me because it is the best performing bullet with a decent BC for long range hunting but I'll shoot the most accurate of the two in any given rifle.
 
We have to use what works for us. Most of my shooting is done with a fast twist .223 Remington. Berger doesn't seem to want to support that caliber with hunting bullets, so it doesn't matter to me how good they might seem to some. So far, the Nosler Partition and Swift Scirocco are the best bullets that are readily available in .224 caliber. Barnes bullets are definitely aimed at the magnum shooting crowd as expansion swiftly drops off as velocity decreases. There is a brand of copper monolithic bullets from Africa called GS Custom that are similar to Barnes, but the petals are designed to quickly open then break off after opening at magnum speeds. That strikes me as imitating a Nosler Partition, but at a much higher price and narrower range of impact speeds. OK if you are in a particular range of use and like exotic stuff. The bullets look a bit more pretty when removed from the dead animal, if you are into showing off bullets that killed something.

Barnes 50-grain might work well in a .22-250 or .220 Swift, as the impact velocity would be much higher than from a .223 Remington. I would use a Barnes bullet if only shooting at very close range from my .223 Rem or .308 Win. However, that would mean woods or heavy brush hunting, and all bullets listed in that test are Spitzers and inferior to a round nose bullet like the Nosler Partition 170 grain .308 roundnose or a Speer 70-grain roundnose in .224 cal. All Spitzers are horrible in the brush due to deflection, which is why African and dangerous game bullets have blunt or flat noses. I missed a mule deer at 50 yards in the brush this fall because I had to shoot through light brush taking a head shot, and I was wondering if those small branches a few yards in front of the deer might deflect my 150-grain Ballistic Tip. Evidently it did, as the deer ran off with nary a scratch. A Berger VLD would have performed just as poorly. A roundnose Nosler Partition would have probably brought home venison.

The good news is that less than 15 minutes later I got a shot at a nicer mule deer 3x3 buck, again at 50 yards, and it was totally in the clear. With a neck shot it was a bang-flop. There was no exit, even on a neck shot. Several pounds of meat were destroyed in the front shoulder area. The bullet deflected downward off the spine, totally fragmented, and the biggest piece of bullet I ever found was the green plastic ballistic tip.

A lot of guys would say that was fabulous performance, but I say very unreliable performance at close range (unless ALWAYS deflecting on brush or blowing up on game is some kind of reliability). I had intended to only have shots beyond 200 yards, which is why I was using a Ballistic Tip, because it gives sub MOA accuracy in my semi-auto FN FAL rifle. Working up an accurate long range load for my FAL is the best way to get a very close-in shot.

While not the best in every situation, the fact remains that the Partition is the most versatile and reliable bullet in more situations than anything else at its price point and if you need a bit more toughness and can pay for it, an A-Frame or Trophy Bonded Bear Claw. The Nosler Partition is actually on the shelves of most local ammo dealers, and its easy to find in factory loads. Can't say the same for the other stuff.
 
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We tested the 60gr Berger Varmint bullet in a 22-250 on deer and antelope from 75 to 506 yrds and it did very well, shots behind the shoulders were typical results, pin hole in first lung torn up, second lung MIA and a golf ball size hole out if it exited. Shoulder shots pin hole in starting to open under the shoulder lungs mush with a jacket maybe on the far side. One deer took two but shot was quartering and the shot was made to far forward and low not really getting into the good stuff, the rest just did a short sprint then running out of go juice and tipping. Blood shot and meat loss was on par with most any other bullets we've used but accuracy and LR performance were significantly better than anything previous, a lot of the Bergers will be loaded next year!

Going to do some testing with the GS Customs next year as well, they have some good things going with a larger operating velocity range for LR terminal performance than other copper bullets and they seem to have better in barrel performance than the Barnes with better speed without the pressure.
 
The driving band/gas check used in GS Custom bullets is something other bullet makers should have utilized long ago. However, I have never seen them on the shelves in Billings and its a long way from Africa to order them.

You seem to have realized in actual tests that .224 caliber is perfectly adequate for anything up to medium big game if bullet type and placement is correct. I am fortunate to hunt in Montana where .224 cal is legal for big game.

Unlike a slow twist .22-250, I'm able to shoot bullets up to 70-75 grains. I just got some 75-grain Swift Sciroccos, and I'm hoping my CZ 527 Kevlar Varmint will stabilize them. I have the chance of buying a custom .224 Clark with a 9" twist Lilja barrel, and if the CZ will stabilize the Scirocco, I believe the .224 Clark custom should do just as well or better. The .224 Clark has already taken an antelope at 350 yards using 80-grain Sierra Matchking, and the heart/lungs were turned to jelly and it was a bang-flop kill.

Also, did you ever notice that Nosler Partition performance is about perfect for head shots? A Partition will open very quickly, and then leave a wound channel about the length of a head, then the nose will break off and the rest of the bullet will try to exit the body. If I was a professional assassin...........no, I won't go there in a public forum.
 
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FAL Shot,

It seems from your posts that you have a lot of hunting experience. You've made some claims about Berger which leads me to the question; have you used Bergers to hunt game? Have you ever shot Bergers at all?

I find that most of the people who say the types of things that you do have never tried our bullets before. Most of their opinions are based on conjecture in defense of their favorite brand. I am not suggesting that each of our bullets are the best bullets for all applications but those who use them typically find them to outperform, in many areas, the other bullets they've used.

I'm not working to pick a fight but rather need to point out the difference between comments made based on observed results and conjecture. There are a lot of armchair experts out there who mean well but don't understand the relevance between verifiable facts and well thought out opinions.

Regards,
Eric
 
Honestly- most premium bullets will get the job done at shorter distances but, I really like the vdl Bergers long range accuracy. Since we are on the "LONG RANGE HUNTING" forum I belive it is a clear top choice. If the bullet doesn't hit the target what's the point. I guess you could argue the explosive pros and cons of the Bergers till the cows come home.

Hey Eric,
how does the Target VDL's do in jell? Does it hold together or still fragment?
 
If someone can tell me how to post pictures I've got some images that can shed some light on how they act if you hunt gelatin :)

Regards,
Eric
 
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Eric,

If you're using photo bucket past the photo link using the "insert link", it ' the icon with the world and chain.

Use to use the postage card w/stamp looking icon but photobucket seems to have changed their style or something.

Preview the post to determine pic post success.

Roy
 
The following images were taken during tests where we compared our hunting bullet to three other popular brands each of which uses a particular design style but each was in the same caliber and comparable weight.

For those who are interested in such things the muzzle velocity for each bullet was consistent with 308 Winchester MV with the impact velocity to be consistent with a 100 yard shot. The test media is 10% ballistic gelatin consistent with FBI testing protocol standards.

The first image is of the Barnes 30 cal 168 gr TSX. In this comparison, this bullet was selected to represent solids. As you can see below the bullet expands on impact. It makes a relatively smooth shaped secondary wound channel and exits the 8 inches of gelatin with the tip folded open and most of the bullet (if not all of its mass) retained.

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The second image is the Nosler 30 cal 165 gr Partition. In this comparison this bullet is meant to represents those that retain much but not all of their weight. This particular bullet was selected because it represent what I believe is one of the best designed and most popular hunting bullets on the market.

You will notice that the bullet expands upon impact. The secondary wound channel is rougher than the Barnes which we believe demonstrates how effectively a bullet transmits hydrostatic shock (rougher the better).

If you look closely you will notice a second bulge in the secondary wound channel that we believe is beneficial for terminal performance and is likely caused by the material of the front of the bullet reaching full expansion and impacting the material that will remain with the base of the bullet.

You will also notice that there are fragments traveling outside the second bulge of the secondary wound channel. (NOTE: For those who don't know the primary wound channel is the hole that is made by the bullet passing directly through the tissue. The secondary wound channel is created by the energy transmitted as hydrostatic shock into the tissue surrounding the primary wound channel.) We regard these fragments as beneficial in the way that they assist in tissue damage within the secondary wound channel.

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The third image is the Sierra 30 cal 168 gr GameKing. This bullet was selected to represent what is commonly referred to as the cup and core construction that has been used for several decades. I do not believe that the Sierra is bonded as they do not represent them to be bonded so this bullet also represents other bullets that will lose much of their weight (but will retain more than the Berger).

You will notice that again the bullet expands upon impact (this is common for all hunting bullets other than the Bergers). The secondary wound channel is rough but fairly uniform in overall shape. If you look closely you will notice fragmentation exiting the gelatin but there is no fragmentation exiting the secondary wound channel.

This indicates that the fragmentation is small particle tearing away from the nose but that they are not large enough or traveling in a direction that can effectively assist the tissue damage occurring in the secondary wound channel. This is not to say that they don't help as they are likely the reason for the roughened secondary wound channel but as fragments they are not creating their own primary wound channel like those shed by the Nosler or the Berger.

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The final image is the Berger 30 cal 168 gr Hunting VLD. We selected the 30 cal 168 gr class of bullets for this comparison test as they are the most popular caliber and the most popular weigh in this caliber. I will agree that tests in other calibers and weight classes may turn out differently but as a comparison we believe what we found is valid, accurate and repeatable.

You will notice that the bullet penetrates nearly two inches before it starts to expand. Once the expansion starts it is violent and immediate. The secondary wound channel is rough. In every direction you will see fragments that are traveling beyond the original secondary wound channel.

If you look at the bottom and the top of the block you will see large fragments that are creating additional primary wound channels and lesser sized secondary wound channels. These fragments are creating primary wound channels into the surrounding tissue, assisting in the effectiveness of both the hydrostatic shocks ability to destroy tissue and the fact that they are damaging tissue directly themselves.

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In live tissue things are a bit different. Gelatin is a constant density and there is nothing representing bone. So take these images for what they are; a comparison between what these similar bullets do at similar velocities in 10% ballistic gelatin.

I am not suggesting that this test is invalid but rather am accepting the fact that in the end the best and most telling test media is animals. The challenge with using animals for comparison testing is the fact that you can't see through them conveniently like you can ballistic gelatin. Also, even among the same species of animals you have differences between each of the animals.

This makes it very difficult for hunting bullets to be the best for all applications. And in some cases even the best bullet does not perform as expected even if the bullet does everything it is meant to do. That is one of the many challenges in hunting. It is reasonable that a huge trophy animal may have made it to his stage in life where he is the most massive because he's survived a bullet "failure" or two.

Enough rambling. We are getting ready to shut the shop down for the Christmas Holiday. I look forward to reviewing any thoughts that are shared when I return. Merry Christmas to everyone and a Happy New Year.

Regards,
Eric
 
Thanks for the help with posting pictures. Once I got the jist of it I found it to be easy. A little Wyoming hospitality I found on a antelope hunt below.

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Regards,
Eric
 
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There are a lot of bullets I would like to try . But I'm in the CA condor zone (lead free zone) and when I go to site in or just shoot targets I use Barnes.Tried other lead free with no luck much better groups with Barnes . I'm looking to get a .7mm stw and have thought about shooting the Berger's and making that my out of state gun . Now I hear there are more stats trying to go lead free so maybe not .Going to WA this year for a bear and it will go with a 270gr barnes tsx out of a 375hh. I would love to see more CO. get into the lead free so I could have more to chose from.
 
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Pics are a great way of explaining things.

I notice evidence of continued spinning in several of the pics. None in others.

Be careful in WY ya don't get to select who violates ya.:D
 
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