Barnes TSX/TTSX vs Nosler Partition

[lloydsmale]

my experience is a bit diffent then yours. Most deer i shoot with partitions show more meat damage then most cup and core bullets. Probably due to the fact that they do penetrate so well and the damage usually goes deaper.

 

[X-man]

I'm not from Missouri but I'd have to see that to believe it..I've never seen a partition separate and I've shot many bears in the 400 + range that were soaking wet from being driven in snow and rain and never saw a partition fail..right on through and out..no problems whatsoever..

First off I never said the Partitions in question separated. I said the front core blew off before it got to the vitals. The front core blows off on big animals (usually inside the vitals) every time. John Nosler designed it to do just that.
You claim this never happens? You have never seen this?

I said grizzly and you are talking about black bears right?
A big coastal brownie looks closer to a mini van than it does black bear....I don't care what size of black bear.

There is a big difference between an animal in the rain and one climbing out of a river.

The bison was bone dry in -20 weather.

 

[Cold Trigger Finger]

My only complaint with the TSX +TTSX is they don't make one with a BC over. 5 and closer to. 6 or better. In 6.5 mm.
Too much pandering to the slow twist and the Grendel.

 

[Outlaw6.0]

My only complaint with the TSX +TTSX is they don't make one with a BC over. 5 and closer to. 6 or better. In 6.5 mm.
Too much pandering to the slow twist and the Grendel.

The issue is most definitely the issue, but not pandering to any specific twist. Being Solid copper, Barnes bullet lack the density to achieve the same weight to length ration that can be achieved with "conventional" boolets. The 130 TSX-FB & 127LRX-BT are most likely the longest Barnes can make a bullet & still maintain stability at sea level with ALL cartridges.

When comparing the Cutting Edge G05 130 Grain MTH to the 140 Grain Berger H-VLD, the G05 was just as long or slightly longer than the "conventional" design of the Berger. By stepping up to the CEB 140 Grainer (G10), the bullet was quite a bit longer than the 140 Berger of the same weight. The Berger will stabillize in my 8.4 twist Obermeyer while the G10 will not (much to my chagrin).

Without a dense core, Mono-metal bullets will always be longer than conventionals of the same weight, thus requiring a faster twist to stabilize OR by dropping the weight & the OAL of the bullet to ensure stabilization as Barnes is doing as of now; the problem being, BC suffers, badly.


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[Cold Trigger Finger]

Right. Which is why I say they are pandering to the slow twist 1-9 and the low velocity. The 1-8" Creedmoor easily stabilizes up to. 6 BC

 

[Outlaw6.0]

Right. Which is why I say they are pandering to the slow twist 1-9 and the low velocity. The 1-8" Creedmoor easily stabilizes up to. 6 BC

No, your twist rate has nothing to do with BC. The length of the bullet means everything when it comes to stabilization, the longer the bullet, the more twist that is required to stabilize that projectile.

Are there any manufacturers that offer a 9" twist?


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[Nalgi]

I was a Partition shooter for many decades. But, when CA went to non lead we had to switch to Barnes because it was the only non lead bullet out there!

Once we started using the Barnes manual we really started getting great groups. The key was OAL to squeeze the last 1/4-1/2" out of them.

However, paper holes dont kill stuff! I've killed dozens of animals with TTSX bullets from Mtn goat to pigs. They are the toughest, most uniform penetrating/expanding bullets I have ever seen. At this point I cant see myself shooting anything else. gun)

 

[RTK]

Nalgi, how for off the lands have you found to be the jump they like??

 

[Nalgi]

If you read the data they say 20-50/1000's. however, we have found that Barnes like it between 5-9/1000's!

Ty at Barnes thinks its odd but he cant deny the results.

Thats why we put the OAL on the targets.

 

[Nomosendero]

I was a Partition shooter for many decades. But, when CA went to non lead we had to switch to Barnes because it was the only non lead bullet out there!

Once we started using the Barnes manual we really started getting great groups. The key was OAL to squeeze the last 1/4-1/2" out of them.

However, paper holes dont kill stuff! I've killed dozens of animals with TTSX bullets from Mtn goat to pigs. They are the toughest, most uniform penetrating/expanding bullets I have ever seen. At this point I cant see myself shooting anything else. gun)

I know what Barnes says, but at what minimum vel. do you still get good espansion or if complete penetration good terminal results?

 

[Freebore]

I really like the TTSX in a 7mm anything. I like the 180 Partitions in my 300 Win just had a load that is very accurate and works well. But I think the Barnes kill better. But dead is dead too.

Still nothing is more important than shot placement, period.

 

[Nalgi]

go to their web site, they have jell tests at various velocities.

Lets put it this way.
What brand bullets killed Bin Laden (5.56) and made the longest recorded 50 cal BMG Sniper kills?

thats right. Thats all I need to know

 

[Nalgi]

Absolutely-
I think we use bigger heavier bullets to make up for poor shooting skills and then call it "Ethics" when we cant make a shot!

Go look on the archery sites! holy crap what a bunch of excuse makers! Most of those clowns cant shoot past 20 yds! Dont ever hunt west of the Miss! we average about 50 yd shots and go out to 75 regularly!

Here are 2 pics
1. 243 target. The guys at Barnes agree; the 243 with the 85 gr TSX is the best all round combo there is. They all shoot it
2. here is an 80 yds shot with a broadhead at a 3" x
remember in old england they PRACTICED at 225 yds!!!!!

 

[barnesuser28]

go to their web site, they have jell tests at various velocities.

Lets put it this way.
What brand bullets killed Bin Laden (5.56) and made the longest recorded 50 cal BMG Sniper kills?

thats right. Thats all I need to know

Excuse my ignorance but what brand would that be? (i bet i am looking really stupid right about now).