Barbour Creek student take antelope @ 1507 yards

[WA Coyote]

Point wasn't if they kill or not. I've shot a couple truckloads of critters with 105 Amax, 108 ELDM, 123 Amax, 140 Amax, 162 Amax, and 208 Amax. I know first hand how well they work.

Draw whatever inferences you want from the video, it simply shows that both the ELDM and ELDX do weird things and show poor expansion at 1800, which is well above the impact velocity in the OP's post.

 

[HandgunHTR]

So sending a 77 grain TMK at an elk at 1,200 yards is completely fine as long as I am capable of making the shot? Why use an expanding bullet at all if we don't care what velocities it will actually upset at? Let's try 2,000 yards next and see if we can just wound the animal.

No person should send a bullet at an animal at a velocity lower than what the bullet requires to properly function. That is complete disrespect for the animal that you are shooting at!

Your hyperbole aside, you are completely ignoring the fact that the bullet did properly function. The 147 ELD-M will expand/upset at 1200fps as much as a Barnes bullet will at 1800 fps. Nobody has a problem with that level of expansion, do they?

Just because the manufacturer says something doesn't mean it is gospel. Hornady also doesn't recommend you use the ELD-M on game. Sierra doesn't recommend you use the TMK on game. However, thousands of dead animals are a pretty compelling argument that they work just fine.

I have used a 220 grain 30 caliber bullet to kill a bunch of hogs and deer using a 300 BO at subsonic speeds from distances ranging from 15-110 yards. They worked just fine.

Rather than jump on the forum and try to say something isn't right with little to no factual evidence to base your opinion, I suggest you get out and test your assumptions. You may actually learn something.

 

[dustbag]

Wow that's a poke!
Nice shootin

 

[shooters]

Great Shooting

 

[jessej]

I've killed and witnessed kills to the tune of literal dump trailer loads of grown whitetail does, all shot with 208 amax with a mv of 1000 fps at close range. Lung shots mostly. And most didn't go over 25 yards. Some just jumped looked around, then fell over. Every shot was a pencil hole all the way through.

 

[bigngreen]

I've killed and witnessed kills to the tune of literal dump trailer loads of grown whitetail does, all shot with 208 amax with a mv of 1000 fps at close range. Lung shots mostly. And most didn't go over 25 yards. Some just jumped looked around, then fell over. Every shot was a pencil hole all the way through.

All I used to shoot Mt lions with was a 22lr or 22 mag behind the shoulder, they fall out dead every time no fuss!
A freaking round ball out of a flintlock has less sauce than this guy hit that goat with and that doesn't seem to bunch up everyone's panties.

 

[vancewalker007]

1507 yards in MT
After training level 1 and level 2 at Barbour Creek with James
Eagle Ballistics app was used for mirage wind and ballisticsView attachment 603067

Now your hands are gonna smell funny.

 

[Poor_choices]

That's was a great shot, by someone who knew exactly what they were doing.

This is a case of a bunch of people standing in a circle wringing their hands and saying something can't be done, while there's a whole different group standing 15 feet behind them, actually making it happen.

 

[ickes123]

Amazing shot. congratulations

 

[LDHunter]

When this forum first started the SMK was one of the most popular bullets for long range hunting and many many hundreds, perhaps thousands, of head of big game were killed with them despite Sierra staunchly maintaining that they were only a target bullet and not suitable for hunting. Nuff said... LOL

 

[WhiplashBlack]

All this bragging and defending about a 1500 yard shot with a 6.5CM is just ridiculous. That's not something too be proud of. If BarbourCreek is allowing students to take shots like this, I'll be dammed if they aren't missing shots like this and/or mearly wounding animals. We're not allowed to discuss ethics? Fine. Morals are a different story, and these guys' are lacking in the department.

 

[Nimrod]

I don't think I've ever seen a live animal on that Indian reservation. That might be the real story here. I used to drive through the Crow reservation on a regular regular basis when I was younger.

I drove through there last May on my way to Idaho and saw several Pronghorns, including a couple of bucks that looked like they had a lot of potential.

 

[RockyMtnMT]

I drove through there last May on my way to Idaho and saw several Pronghorns, including a couple of bucks that looked like they had a lot of potential.

They have done a good job managing their herd.

 

[HandgunHTR]

All this bragging and defending about a 1500 yard shot with a 6.5CM is just ridiculous. That's not something too be proud of. If BarbourCreek is allowing students to take shots like this, I'll be dammed if they aren't missing shots like this and/or mearly wounding animals. We're not allowed to discuss ethics? Fine. Morals are a different story, and these guys' are lacking in the department.

Again, just because you can't do it doesn't mean it shouldn't be done. Also, Barbour Creek isn't "allowing students to take shots like this". They are teaching students how to effectively shoot at long range.

I can't play water polo because if I tried, I would probably drown. I don't run around telling people who do that they shouldn't because they will probably drown.

Put in the time, learn your equipment, learn about the game you are chasing and you will be pretty amazed at what you can accomplish.