Barbour Creek student take antelope @ 1507 yards

[ohlongarmisle]

My big concern at that range would be the bullet performing. 1,200fps is quite slow for that bullet. Obviously it worked, but that would certainly have been my biggest concern.

An excellent point , i've done tons of shooting and skeptical I remain ,one needs only to look at the totality of the scenario,I did and it's quite flawed. Only my opinion,what do i know? top sniper metro,three years in a row,extensive sniper schooling ,deer control sniper team,200 kills last year all dropped in tracks.Weekenders will go gaga but unfortunately not me. Anyway congratulations on a 4500 foot shot , with a 6 mph wind on the plains , with a mediocre caliber.I'll set my sights on an accomplishment like that at some point.In the meantime i'll have to settle for 1/4 mile shots,embarrassing to me to say the least.The wind on my hunt open plains never dropped below 20mph most of the time,10, to 15,mph the norm with gusts exceeding 25mph frequently.

 

[bigngreen]

My big concern at that range would be the bullet performing. 1,200fps is quite slow for that bullet. Obviously it worked, but that would certainly have been my biggest concern.

There are bullets that work much lower than advertised you also can reach a point the bullets will tumble through which is very lethal. What many guys don't realize is how much harder game take a hit when their isn't the major adrenaline dump, you get out of their fight or flight response range to sight or sound and even elk take a hit so much harder.

 

[Wy Will]

There are bullets that work much lower than advertised you also can reach a point the bullets will tumble through which is very lethal. What many guys don't realize is how much harder game take a hit when their isn't the major adrenaline dump, you get out of their fight or flight response range to sight or sound and even elk take a hit so much harder.

They can work at lower velocities. I am just not going to be the one to chance it. Especially not on a living creature. I am only stating that I would not take that shot. As I stated, it clearly worked. I just have more respect for the animals that I hunt. If he was shooting a larger caliber or a closer distance, I would not have any issues with this shot. I would never recommend or condone that one shoots below the minimum expansion velocities set forth by the manufacturer.

 

[dogz]

That's killing, it's what we all do, you might be on the wrong web site if you don't get it!

Amen to that!

 

[bigngreen]

They can work at lower velocities. I am just not going to be the one to chance it. Especially not on a living creature. I am only stating that I would not take that shot. As I stated, it clearly worked. I just have more respect for the animals that I hunt. If he was shooting a larger caliber or a closer distance, I would not have any issues with this shot. I would never recommend or condone that one shoots below the minimum expansion velocities set forth by the manufacturer.

Great, your not that guy who should be pushing, that's fine but there are people who can and do so at an elite level and many are motivated by respecting our quary and wanting to do the best we can and with that comes more range, how everyone uses that is their perogative. Why judge?

I've killed goats in that range with some big stuff, they knock a hole through them, they run a short ways and tip over dead. In poor conditions a big high BC bullet will give you an edge but in the right condition and a rifle your dialed in with their dead, not a big deal.

 

[Wy Will]

Great, your not that guy who should be pushing, that's fine but there are people who can and do so at an elite level and many are motivated by respecting our quary and wanting to do the best we can and with that comes more range, how everyone uses that is their perogative. Why judge?

I've killed goats in that range with some big stuff, they knock a hole through them, they run a short ways and tip over dead. In poor conditions a big high BC bullet will give you an edge but in the right condition and a rifle your dialed in with their dead, not a big deal.

So sending a 77 grain TMK at an elk at 1,200 yards is completely fine as long as I am capable of making the shot? Why use an expanding bullet at all if we don't care what velocities it will actually upset at? Let's try 2,000 yards next and see if we can just wound the animal.

No person should send a bullet at an animal at a velocity lower than what the bullet requires to properly function. That is complete disrespect for the animal that you are shooting at!

 

[Mrvmax]

This sure hurt a lot of peoples feelings. Congrats to the shooter.

 

[ohlongarmisle]

This sure hurt a lot of peoples feelings. Congrats to the shooter.

Not mine as I said before I call it as I see it,BS,congratulations to the shooter on an outstanding shot ,at nearly a mile,mediocre ballistics 6 mph wind on plains have taken 3 prongs in 5 years,at 1/4 mile and I can assure you it's not that easy.Totality of the scenario! Hitting a coyote at that distance with that caliber would be suspecy,prongs have tons of adrenaline and extremely tough animal.Once again congratulations on a great shot.

 

[WhiplashBlack]

According to my Kestrel, a 147gr ELD-M with a muzzle velocity of 2700fps would only be traveling at 1038fps at 1500 yards... not even the 1200-1300 previously talked about.

 

[WA Coyote]

Great shooting, that's all I've got to say about that.

For those who are debating the "bullet performance", I offer this video which talks about 143 ELDX vs 140 ELDM at low impact velocity.

 

[2buffalo]

An excellent point , i've done tons of shooting and skeptical I remain ,one needs only to look at the totality of the scenario,I did and it's quite flawed. Only my opinion,what do i know? top sniper metro,three years in a row,extensive sniper schooling ,deer control sniper team,200 kills last year all dropped in tracks.Weekenders will go gaga but unfortunately not me. Anyway congratulations on a 4500 foot shot , with a 6 mph wind on the plains , with a mediocre caliber.I'll set my sights on an accomplishment like that at some point.In the meantime i'll have to settle for 1/4 mile shots,embarrassing to me to say the least.The wind on my hunt open plains never dropped below 20mph most of the time,10, to 15,mph the norm with gusts exceeding 25mph frequently.

 

[Barrelnut]

My 2 cents:
Shooter was practiced with that rife at that range.
Shooter had an experienced spotter with a lot of LR experience.
There was sufficient open terrain to keep the animal insite, if a follow up or tracking was required.
This was far from a Hail Mary. I think it was a fine shot.

I had the opportunity to spot for a 865 yard shot on an antelope with a 10 MPH wind from between 4 and 5 o'clock. Buck dropped like a sack of potatoes. Bullet hit 3" above point of aim. Rifle was a 300 RUM with a 210 Berger though...

 

[308win]

According to my Kestrel, a 147gr ELD-M with a muzzle velocity of 2700fps would only be traveling at 1038fps at 1500 yards... not even the 1200-1300 previously talked about.

You might be forgetting the temp and density altitude part of the equation?

 

[Wy Will]

Great shooting, that's all I've got to say about that.

For those who are debating the "bullet performance", I offer this video which talks about 143 ELDX vs 140 ELDM at low impact velocity.

This does not relate though. Nobody is arguing that a match bullet can't kill.

This testing was only done as low as 1,800 fps. Not 1,200 fps. This is also clear gel which is not a correct representation of a bullets performance. You have to use temp controlled 10% organic gel to get an adequate idea of a bullets performance.