Banish brand suppressor?

[Tgunz64]

Yes, that is nice, if you buy thru a trust, like I do. I just checked with SC and the Banish 30 will be fine with a Nosler 26. I shoot a 204 a lot, which is a very loud round. My experience with that is that a 30-cal. can eliminates almost as much noise as a 22-cal can does. Almost. It is still nice to have a 22-cal suppressor for the small stuff, but by no means mandatory. You will be delighted with the noise reduction you get with a 30-cal. can even with 22-cal and smaller rounds.

This will be used on my 22-250 more than my other rifles. The 250 is a boomer as well for such a small bullet. I know I can probably gain 3-4 dB with caliber specific but to me that much gain isn't worth dropping another $1000+- for. Not saying that farther down the road I won't buy one but for now I'd like to just cover my basis. I am now leaning towards the TBAC Ultra 9 30. With 40+ decimal reduction on a 308 I'm impressed. Lots of videos proving the TBAC's capabilities. Nothing on the Banish. A couple videos on the varminter 4.0 but no dB reduction numbers. For as little as I usually get out (unfortunately) the added length of a 9" can isn't going to bother me. I want the most noise reduction. Especially if I'm dropping $1000+ on this thing.

 

[KY_Windage]

The 9" Banish (f/k/a Varminter 4.0) reduced .308 noise by 42 db.

However, I would not let 2 dB sway my decision, because with 40 or 42 dB reduction you still have to have a bit of hearing protection. Once you do that, 2 dB is not going to matter.

I would focus on ease of disassembly/re-assembly, since both are 100% Ti alloy. The Banish is very easy on both. I don't know about other companies' customer service, but SC's seems to be great so far. But, I've never needed anything serious, so I can't say for sure.

 

[Tgunz64]

The 9" Banish (f/k/a Varminter 4.0) reduced .308 noise by 42 db.

However, I would not let 2 dB sway my decision, because with 40 or 42 dB reduction you still have to have a bit of hearing protection. Once you do that, 2 dB is not going to matter.

I would focus on ease of disassembly/re-assembly, since both are 100% Ti alloy. The Banish is very easy on both. I don't know about other companies' customer service, but SC's seems to be great so far. But, I've never needed anything serious, so I can't say for sure.

I take that back I did see this video on the 4.0. Yes this also has very good reductions. The Banish isn't off my radar yet either. I'm still looking around at options. I might not be ordering until spring so I have time to make a decision. And I know the wait time is 11 months or so but oh well. I'll either have one late 2020 or early 2021. Plus my local shop deals with silencershop so I'm going to see if they can order it in and I make payments after a down payment. If I can make payments over time or just do a down payment and payoff at pickup that would help out a lot. I'm going to talk to them tomorrow. See what they say and maybe get the ball rolling next month.

 

[KY_Windage]

Oh, wait, the Ultra cannot be disassembled. https://thunderbeastarms.com/forum/threads/do-i-need-to-clean-my-suppressor-how-often.4/

Having had one can that cannot be disassembled I will never buy another one. Yes the can "works" fine but it also accumulates carbon fouling the baffle holes. That is, IMO, bound to degrade accuracy, similar to the way a dirty crown will.

 

[surgeon260]

Oh, wait, the Ultra cannot be disassembled. https://thunderbeastarms.com/forum/threads/do-i-need-to-clean-my-suppressor-how-often.4/

Having had one can that cannot be disassembled I will never buy another one. Yes the can "works" fine but it also accumulates carbon fouling the baffle holes. That is, IMO, bound to degrade accuracy, similar to the way a dirty crown will.

Umm, no.

 

[ZSteinle]

I have both a thunderbeast and the varmiter 3.0 "now the banish line of suppressors". Both are great cans. To be honest I can't really tell them apart quality wise. Only slight edge goes to the varmiter simply because it can be disassembled. whichever u choose u won't be disappointed.

 

[cynjon]

I take that back I did see this video on the 4.0. Yes this also has very good reductions. The Banish isn't off my radar yet either. I'm still looking around at options. I might not be ordering until spring so I have time to make a decision. And I know the wait time is 11 months or so but oh well. I'll either have one late 2020 or early 2021. Plus my local shop deals with silencershop so I'm going to see if they can order it in and I make payments after a down payment. If I can make payments over time or just do a down payment and payoff at pickup that would help out a lot. I'm going to talk to them tomorrow. See what they say and maybe get the ball rolling next month.

Silencer Central offers what they call "EZ Pay"...25% down payment and 3 equal monthly payments. That's what I used when I bought my Varminter from them, just because I knew I'd be waiting for my tax stamp anyhow.

 

[ZSteinle]

Also a plus with the new banish is that it can be a 7" can or a 9". 7" is great for hunting. 9" great for target shooting. I shoot 28 nosler through my varmiter 3.0 with no problems.

 

[KY_Windage]

Spent all day shooting varmints today, with my Banish 223.

 

[Tgunz64]

Spent all day shooting varmints today, with my Banish 223.

Nice setup

 

[KY_Windage]

Didn't want you to think I was one of those Internet "experts" who doesn't actually shoot much.

The rifle is a Rem. 700 varmint in 204. It was a half-minute rifle with the factory barrel. I had it replaced with a much heavier Bartlein barrel, looking for even better accuracy (which I got, I'm happy to report).

If someone ever makes a suppressor better than the Banish, I will replace it, too, but I doubt that is going to happen.

 

[KY_Windage]

So how important is it that you be able to easily clean (which IMO requires easy disassembly) your suppressor? Well, the groups at lower left and the middle were shot with the above-pictured setup, at 100 yds after my Banish 223 had about 300 rounds through it. Certainly respectable groups.

But then I cleaned the Banish and shot the groups at upper left and upper right (after firing a few rounds to settle things down). Same rifle, rounds, conditions -- all 5-shot groups shot with a fairly clean barrel.

Now, this is only one test, of one suppressor, but it verifies what I have casually observed the past few years, but never actually tested -- a dirty suppressor degrades accuracy. Silencer Central recommends you clean the Banish every 100 rounds if possible, and I'd say that's a good plan if you want the best accuracy your rifle and rounds are capable of.

YMMV, but I'd be wary of people telling you that their suppressor that cannot be disassembled is "very accurate."

 

[Tangent]

I've got thousands of rounds through an older 30P-1 that's never been cleaned and will still put out 1/2 minute 5-shot groups consistently. All cans need cleaned sooner or later, but I would be pretty unhappy with having to clean a centerfire can every hundred or so rounds to get decent accuracy.

 

[KY_Windage]

So would I, Tangent. But I have the option -- I can either not clean and have the same very good accuracy you see, or I can clean and get superb accuracy.

Assuming, of course, I have a rifle/cartridge combination that will produce superb accuracy with or without suppression.

What happens when you don't clean over thousands of rounds is that the carbon continues to build up throughout the suppressor, including where it really matters to accuracy -- on the baffle holes -- until you get a "de-contruction" of the carbon out of the baffle holes by a blast of gas. You may have shot a very good 5-shot group right before the de-construction, and you may shoot a very good one right afterwards, but they will not be in the same spot. Cleaning gives me the option of having my groups shoot to the same POI every time I take the rifle out.

Now, I have to be honest -- cleaning is a pain in the neck. But so is trimming and neck-turning my brass to fit my chamber precisely, and checking bullet concentricity. Most people are not going to do those things.

But if you want the best accuracy possible, I would get a suppressor that can be easily disassembled for frequent cleaning. Just because you can clean it does not mean you have to -- it just gives you the option.