Teekerguy
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Where do you think the sweet spot muzzle velocity is for the 80HH
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So what we have here is classic we tried something different and got different results.
Isnt the HHT designed for long range hunting?
It seems as though as far as the HHT's go, in general, some are better than others. Some are considered a great bullet, some are considered a poor bullet. When the tips changed from supplied/sourced to made-in-house, it seems performance went backwards in general, and some bullets that were considered good before are no longer being considered good anymore.
These viewpoints seem to vary and differ depending on the person and how they view things overall.
I have some of the original .308" HHTs with the tips they had sourced to them. I have not messed with any of the new ones to compare anything myself yet. I just don't have the time right now to dive into all that, nor am I real interested in testing a bullet I already see evidence in pictures and videos that concerns me. I don't have much interest in testing a bullet on an animal I'm concerned won't perform well.
Sometimes we have to live vicariously through others and take what we are graciously provided from others' experiences they share. We extrapolate from that what we can and find use in it. I bounce around many forums and try to keep up with experiences that are shared out there, taking most with a grain of salt and looking purely at what they provide in pictures or video to make my own conclusions- if a conclusion can be made. Some do provide great detail though that's actually helpful, don't get me wrong there.
bigngreen
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Many don't care as long as their dead and recovered, then some spend significant time documenting every facet, I've fallen into both camps at different times. I used to carry a Sawzall and designed a knife just for gutting elk fast and efficiently and then used a metal detector to find bullet parts, if a bullet design has an inherent issue it's doesn't take much to prove it in an appropriate chambering. Now if your looking for bottom velocity or top where things get slower to react or they go nuclear then that's a whole other conversation as to how that applies to design but it's not an inherent design issue across an entire line.
I've shot animals back to back with black and blue tip 182s, zero difference, I literally have both in my box as I shoot through them. If I have an issue I report to the manufacture, they can take that data point and put it alongside all the others they get and make a decision.
I can either shoot them, not shoot them, or start my own bullet company, pretty straight forward!!
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FireFlyFishing
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This is the first I've seen so I'm glad I tuned in.
This is a good answer to my original question, thank you.
And a good comment on how forums are used, thats all I'm doing here too. This is the first I've heard of any alledged problems with the HHTs. Ive only just developed a load for one and havnt used it yet but will see how it does. So far... Im not seeing anything that suggests it doesn't do what its designed to do, hunt long range. Everythings a trade off in life, one bullet will not do it all perfectly.
Yep, that was the point I was trying to make.
I'm looking for whatever there is to see beyond just a dead and recovered animal. This definitively includes things like top end and bottom end impact velocity limitations, but it's not limited to that. I will also disagree that inherent design issues can't bee spotted from all that still. I think such things tend to get missed an awful lot and simply overlooked, or misunderstood at the time.
There are many bullets out there that were once looked at as the best thing ever and people didn't think you could improve upon it. Now we look at certain bullets like that and point out things that were inherent flaws that we didn't see then, but do now. So is it not feasible to say we could be looking at things such as these Hammers and while some may not see issues right now, perhaps years from now we'd look back and say, "I guess I didn't see it back then, but it seems obvious now"? Maybe it won't take years too.
I get what you're saying. There are definitely trade-offs. It's nice having as few as possible though lol.
I was quite impressed with the Apex Outdoors Afterburner in how it performed for me both short and long range. That's what I look for because I hunt areas where both short or long range is a possibility. It just depends on where the animal comes out. There are many bullets out there that can luckily do both. I hope to see the HHTs be able to do both as well, and perform well for both.
RichCoyle
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Imaginary.
cohunt
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How can you tell if you have sourced tips or in-house tips?
Nowadays, the in-house ones are light blue. I think they may have had a batch of black ones that they made, but I'm not sure on that. I know they tried different colors during their learning curve of making them and I think with certain prototype bullets. I know the place they sourced them from only makes black ones, or at least only do for the bullets they make. If you have black tips, they may very well be the sourced ones, but you might need to ask Steve to be sure. If you have any other color, they're the ones they've started making in-house.
cohunt
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Is it the material or design/shape that has made the difference?
It's all of the above, so it seems.
