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That was pretty darn funny !

You folks will never get it and I'm gonna leave it at that, @mcdil all apologies to you Sir
You keep saying we don't get it yet we're all on the same page. Just like the 500 yard one mil conversation you make a excuse, try and say everyone is wrong and doesn't get it, and dip out. Not sure why you found it funny as you pretty much got exposed on it.
 
and you need to be honest with yourself. why dont you ask another member here that has had multiple treads closed and removed from this forum because of them. while neither side is innocent here there is only one side that makes it a habit of starting it.
Yup from my first post I've heard it especially in messages about how much greater it was before the hammer drama. Posts being hijacked and made into hammer posts. People who have spoken out against it being banned. I didn't really understand what they meant until I really started reading in the forum. That and getting attacked and harassed by them even Steve joining in. Literally a group bullying their way and most people won't openly speak out because they will get harassed and banned. I haven't been here long and it's already getting old. Especially their view like the forum is theirs. It's a public forum yet I had guys trying to threaten me with getting banned for questioning Steve. The funny part is I wasn't against hammer and was planning on using them. I don't like bullies or that type of behavior. People shouldn't be afraid to post or comment on a public forum. They shouldn't have to worry about being banned for nothing more than not liking hammer or disagreeing with them. Most people will want to avoid it but I'm not that way and someone has to call bs. It's even gone so far as Steve trying to discredit the feenix guy. Going straight personal to say he doesn't even cook because he posted a list of bullets and their BC's and hammer had the lowest. At least that's all I've read so far but even hammer guy's said he went too far. It's beyond unprofessional but apparently nothing is done about it while others are banned who speak out. Hopefully enough people will get tired of all this and speak out. Get to where you can have a conversation without getting harassed by certain people.
 
We have yet to find a velocity too high. We do not have bullets that break to pieces. I'm sure there is a limit, but impacts above 4000 fps still yield nearly the same weight retention as 1800 fps impacts. We have been able to make 100g 30 cal Shock Hammer squish too much, at 4200 fps, for it to penetrate to our satisfaction.

This week we had a film crew here to conduct a gel test. We tested our 199g 30cal Hammer Hunter against another bullet. Prior to the video getting done, I will only say the Hammer worked perfectly with a velocity range of 1400 fps impacts. Retained weight varies by 5g.

Not all coppers are equal. Not even close.
Now that is what I call nearly , no , dang , a perfect bullet. Keep up the good work Steve ,the cream always stays on top.
 
Yup from my first post I've heard it especially in messages about how much greater it was before the hammer drama. Posts being hijacked and made into hammer posts. People who have spoken out against it being banned. I didn't really understand what they meant until I really started reading in the forum. That and getting attacked and harassed by them even Steve joining in. Literally a group bullying their way and most people won't openly speak out because they will get harassed and banned. I haven't been here long and it's already getting old. Especially their view like the forum is theirs. It's a public forum yet I had guys trying to threaten me with getting banned for questioning Steve. The funny part is I wasn't against hammer and was planning on using them. I don't like bullies or that type of behavior. People shouldn't be afraid to post or comment on a public forum. They shouldn't have to worry about being banned for nothing more than not liking hammer or disagreeing with them. Most people will want to avoid it but I'm not that way and someone has to call bs. It's even gone so far as Steve trying to discredit the feenix guy. Going straight personal to say he doesn't even cook because he posted a list of bullets and their BC's and hammer had the lowest. At least that's all I've read so far but even hammer guy's said he went too far. It's beyond unprofessional but apparently nothing is done about it while others are banned who speak out. Hopefully enough people will get tired of all this and speak out. Get to where you can have a conversation without getting harassed by certain people.
You are entertaining at the least.
 
Yup from my first post I've heard it especially in messages about how much greater it was before the hammer drama. Posts being hijacked and made into hammer posts. People who have spoken out against it being banned. I didn't really understand what they meant until I really started reading in the forum. That and getting attacked and harassed by them even Steve joining in. Literally a group bullying their way and most people won't openly speak out because they will get harassed and banned. I haven't been here long and it's already getting old. Especially their view like the forum is theirs. It's a public forum yet I had guys trying to threaten me with getting banned for questioning Steve. The funny part is I wasn't against hammer and was planning on using them. I don't like bullies or that type of behavior. People shouldn't be afraid to post or comment on a public forum. They shouldn't have to worry about being banned for nothing more than not liking hammer or disagreeing with them. Most people will want to avoid it but I'm not that way and someone has to call bs. It's even gone so far as Steve trying to discredit the feenix guy. Going straight personal to say he doesn't even cook because he posted a list of bullets and their BC's and hammer had the lowest. At least that's all I've read so far but even hammer guy's said he went too far. It's beyond unprofessional but apparently nothing is done about it while others are banned who speak out. Hopefully enough people will get tired of all this and speak out. Get to where you can have a conversation without getting harassed by certain people.
always speak your mind just try to be classy about it. you will get some warnings from Len if you go too far before being banned. just do what i do, when you see their user name just ignore it and move on they very seldom have anything of value to add anyways.
it does hurt that so much information is lost because members dont want the hassles of posting it with these characters around.
 
Yup from my first post I've heard it especially in messages about how much greater it was before the hammer drama. Posts being hijacked and made into hammer posts. People who have spoken out against it being banned. I didn't really understand what they meant until I really started reading in the forum. That and getting attacked and harassed by them even Steve joining in. Literally a group bullying their way and most people won't openly speak out because they will get harassed and banned. I haven't been here long and it's already getting old. Especially their view like the forum is theirs. It's a public forum yet I had guys trying to threaten me with getting banned for questioning Steve. The funny part is I wasn't against hammer and was planning on using them. I don't like bullies or that type of behavior. People shouldn't be afraid to post or comment on a public forum. They shouldn't have to worry about being banned for nothing more than not liking hammer or disagreeing with them. Most people will want to avoid it but I'm not that way and someone has to call bs. It's even gone so far as Steve trying to discredit the feenix guy. Going straight personal to say he doesn't even cook because he posted a list of bullets and their BC's and hammer had the lowest. At least that's all I've read so far but even hammer guy's said he went too far. It's beyond unprofessional but apparently nothing is done about it while others are banned who speak out. Hopefully enough people will get tired of all this and speak out. Get to where you can have a conversation without getting harassed by certain people.
You started all this by calling Fordy a liar , and you haven't stoped for weeks bashing and complaining about everything and acting like the victim . Am I missing something here ? Time too cool it .
 
It's even gone so far as Steve trying to discredit the feenix guy. Going straight personal to say he doesn't even cook because he posted a list of bullets and their BC's and hammer had the lowest.

LOL! I got hungry due to all the unnecessary drama, so I cooked up some moose meat for lunch >>>https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/moose-meat-its-whats-for-lunch.314024/
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Do you really believe that , then you will believe anything.Butterbean has more general knowledge than most could ever get in a lifetime . I recognize that and respect that because I've been around the gun world for 73 yrs and know the difference from a bunch of B S
Yes, I consider it hilarious as 500 yards is a chip shot on this forum. I shoot further with my muzzleloader. This is the Long Range Hunting forum and anyone in this game should have the general knowledge handled already, like making a 500 yard shot. I am here to learn and share what information I can that may benefit others but I question what there is to learn about long range from one who doesn't understand the basics of calculating a shot. That IS general knowledge and exposed all the BS advice.
 
always speak your mind just try to be classy about it. you will get some warnings from Len if you go too far before being banned. just do what i do, when you see their user name just ignore it and move on they very seldom have anything of value to add anyways.
it does hurt that so much information is lost because members dont want the hassles of posting it with these characters around.
Yes, I consider it hilarious as 500 yards is a chip shot on this forum. I shoot further with my muzzleloader. This is the Long Range Hunting forum and anyone in this game should have the general knowledge handled already, like making a 500 yard shot. I am here to learn and share what information I can that may benefit others but I question what there is to learn about long range from one who doesn't understand the basics of calculating a shot. That IS general knowledge and exposed all the BS advice.
Exactly it's like having a pistol self defense instructor who claims he's a expert. Then doesn't know how to clear a malfunction or the fundamentals of marksmanship. Whatever he and his friends claim he's clearly not the expert he claims. The hammer clan will defend each other no matter what even when wrong. Then turn around and try and make you look like the bad guy. Butterbean has zero credibility at this point in my book. Him and the mouse in his pocket named "we" sure do a lot of stuff. At least take credit for it and when people say something they get jumped by his buddies. But remember that you are the problem not them. Even when you're right you're wrong. 😂
 
Yes, I consider it hilarious as 500 yards is a chip shot on this forum. I shoot further with my muzzleloader. This is the Long Range Hunting forum and anyone in this game should have the general knowledge handled already, like making a 500 yard shot. I am here to learn and share what information I can that may benefit others but I question what there is to learn about long range from one who doesn't understand the basics of calculating a shot. That IS general knowledge and exposed all the BS advice.
What's your muzzle loader setup?
 
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