Advice, or talk some sense into me please

[toddc]

Why is this still an argument? This is a horse that's been beat to death way too many times. Is the creed magical? No. Is it a good cartridge? Yes it is but so aren't the 260 and 6.5X47L. Yes I do admit I was a fan boy at one time hence my profile name which I'd like to change. The reasoned I stayed with the Creed when I did my custom is because I do like the round and it fits better in the short action than the 260. Past that there's no difference. Can we please stop bashing each other just because some of us shoot the new Fad cartridge and some of use shoot the older school cartridge? Let time and the shooting public decide the fate of these rounds.

Heck I shoot em all. Every case out there has a place and may have another place 10 yrs from now with new powders and bullets coming online.

I LOVE EM ALL. Cept the 308 lol. And ya can't have a 22-243 without a 308 so I guess I love it too.

 

[Creedmoor shooter]

Heck I shoot em all. Every case out there has a place and may have another place 10 yrs from now with new powders and bullets coming online.

I LOVE EM ALL. Cept the 308 lol. And ya can't have a 22-243 without a 308 so I guess I love it too.

LOL not really a 30 cal man myself..... more of a 6.5-7mm guy. But I agree I can have fun with anything that launches a projectile and is accurate!

 

[FEENIX]

LOL not really a 30 cal man myself..... more of a 6.5-7mm guy. But I agree I can have fun with anything that launches a projectile and is accurate!

I have more .30 cal (.30-30, 7.62x39, .30 carbine, .30-06, .300 WSM, 300WM, and .30 Lara) multiples in various chamberings than any other cal in my inventory; so I guess that makes me a .30 Cal man. gun)

My 6.5s and 7MMs does not not make it to the range as much as my .30s. But like you and many of us, go out and have fun with whatever you feel like shooting that day.

As far the 6.5s go, there's something very nostalgic about the 6.5x55 Swede (produced 1894 to present), it has been around longer than out venerable .30-06 (produced 1906 to present) and still going strong esp. in the EU. I have a Carl Gustaf 1894M carbine surplus rifle that I started my boys hunting with when they were 10 YO, she's not as pretty as when she first came out but she remains accurate and fun to shoot.

Cheers!

 

[Creedmoor shooter]

I have more .30 cal (.30-30, 7.62x39, .30 carbine, .30-06, .300 WSM, 300WM, and .30 Lara) multiples in various chamberings than any other cal in my inventory; so I guess that makes me a .30 Cal man. gun)

My 6.5s and 7MMs does not not make it to the range as much as my .30s. But like you and many of us, go out and have fun with whatever you feel like shooting that day.

As far the 6.5s go, there's something very nostalgic about the 6.5x55 Swede (produced 1894 to present), it has been around longer than out venerable .30-06 (produced 1906 to present) and still going strong esp. in the EU. I have a Carl Gustaf 1894M carbine surplus rifle that I started my boys hunting with when they were 10 YO, she's not as pretty as when she first came out but she remains accurate and fun to shoot.

Cheers!

The swede is a classic. Awesome round. I've never been into the 30 cal simply because of where I live in don't need to launch a 200+ grain bullet. The furthest I can shoot at animals is about 600 yards but I do have a place I can shoot 1200+ but that's nothing my good old 7mm RM can't handle To each his own!

 

[FEENIX]

The swede is a classic. Awesome round. I've never been into the 30 cal simply because of where I live in don't need to launch a 200+ grain bullet. The furthest I can shoot at animals is about 600 yards but I do have a place I can shoot 1200+ but that's nothing my good old 7mm RM can't handle

I've always been a heavy bullet fan and almost always load the heavies regardless of caliber/chambering.

To each his own!

That's the bottom-line.

 

[Creedmoor shooter]

I've always been a heavy bullet fan and almost always load the heavies regardless of caliber/chambering.



That's the bottom-line.

I generally shoot the heaviest bullet my twist will allow. I shoot 140s out of my Creed and the 162 out of my 7mm because it's a 1:9.5 twist( I'm hoping to build a 7mm Rem with a 1:8 or possibly build a 300 win mag in the future). I feel like if I shot a 180 grain 30 cal bullet then I might see as well be shooting a 7mm. Same with the 6.5 and the 120s I mght as well be shooting a 6mm.

 

[jakelly]

No, you would sound like you actually knew what you were talking about... Instead of idiosyncratic supporter fairytales.

Hey mudrunner, I'm not a supporter. I have never owned a Creedmoor and have chosen against it a half dozen times for my purposes, but I don't act as if the popularity of the Creed is rooted in fairytales, milennial idiosyncratism, marketing, and hype.

I don't have an axe to grind here. I don't really understand the loathing you guys have for this chambering.

 

[MudRunner2005]

Why is this still an argument? This is a horse that's been beat to death way too many times. Is the creed magical? No. Is it a good cartridge? Yes it is but so aren't the 260 and 6.5X47L. Yes I do admit I was a fan boy at one time hence my profile name which I'd like to change. The reasoned I stayed with the Creed when I did my custom is because I do like the round and it fits better in the short action than the 260. Past that there's no difference. Can we please stop bashing each other just because some of us shoot the new Fad cartridge and some of use shoot the older school cartridge? Let time and the shooting public decide the fate of these rounds.

Nobody is denying it's a good cartridge. As much as I dislike the Creed, I'm not about to say it's not a good cartridge. But that other guy keeps acting like it's magical, and that nothing else on earth can do what it does... Which is false.

 

[alcesgigas]

Well, that escalated quickly. My $9.78 rifle now has a Vortex Razor HD 5-20x50 with EBR-2B MOA reticle on the way. I just couldn't leave things alone...

Atta Boy. 'Tis a sign of good health...

 

[Creedmoor shooter]

Nobody is denying it's a good cartridge. As much as I dislike the Creed, I'm not about to say it's not a good cartridge. But that other guy keeps acting like it's magical, and that nothing else on earth can do what it does... Which is false.

Yes lots of other cartridges do what it does. I'm not sure if the other guy thinks it's a magical do everything round I think he was just merely pointing out its good points. Perhaps I'm wrong. I must say I don't think I've seen a round have so much fanfare yet so much resistance all at the same time.

 

[MudRunner2005]

Hey mudrunner, I'm not a supporter. I have never owned a Creedmoor and have chosen against it a half dozen times for my purposes, but I don't act as if the popularity of the Creed is rooted in fairytales, milennial idiosyncratism, marketing, and hype.

I don't have an axe to grind here. I don't really understand the loathing you guys have for this chambering.

I wasn't trying to be a d*ck before, I apologize if I came-off that way.

Here is why i dislike the Creedmoor...

Because there was already a perfectly fine chambering that did all of what the Creed does... The .260 Remington. It was the late-90's version of the Creedmoor, until Remington stopped supporting it, because they released it during the magnum-phase (when everyone was racing for the biggest/best magnum cartridge), and stopped chambering rifles in .260 Rem, and because of their bad timing for releasing it, it pretty much all-but killed it off, except for handloaders, enthusiasts, and BR shooters. And it became virtually forgotten.

Then the Creed came along in 2007, but didn't take off until about 5 years ago, when the whole "6.5mm revolution" kicked-off, and everyone thought it was the absolute greatest thing ever, and that it was made from leprechaun gold and powered by unicorn farts, and everyone touted how it was the most revolutionary cartridge in decades, forgetting that Remington had already created and killed-off virtually the same thing 10-15 years prior. Because the shooting rags were pushing that new tech agenda to get people to buy it, so they could get their kickbacks.

My beef with it, is that most 6.5 Creedmoor supporters are too dumb to know these facts, and they go around talking about and touting the cartridge as some magical gift from the rifle gods that strikes like lightning and hits like thunder and shoots flat for 15 miles.

I guess, bottom-line... My beef is with the idiot Creedmoor supporters more-so than the cartridge itself, despite it being a 90% carbon copy of the original wheel they were attempting to reinvent.

 

[MudRunner2005]

Yes lots of other cartridges do what it does. I'm not sure if the other guy thinks it's a magical do everything round I think he was just merely pointing out its good points. Perhaps I'm wrong. I must say I don't think I've seen a round have so much fanfare yet so much resistance all at the same time.

Trendy people who always have to have the newest/hottest thing on the market, and all the shooting rags pushing the agenda helped with that. And the fact that you could buy Hornady Match ammo for $25 a box. I honestly think those were the 3 biggest contributors. Also, the timing was much better than when Remington introduced the .260 Rem. The Creed was developed in 2007, but the 6.5mm cartridges didn't really take off until about 2011/2012 here in the states.

 

[jakelly]

I hear ya. In fact, I share a lot of those same thoughts. I've recommended the 6.5 Creedmoor dozens of times, and chose it myself 0.

The real story here is Remington has communicated in every way but advertising that they couldn't care less what serious shooters have to say. They NEVER supported the 260 or even troubled themselves with the reasoning behind the innovation. Hornady FULLY supported the Creedmoor, the what and the why, and in the process showed that buyers actually know what they want.

Can you imagine the products we'd have if Remington DID care or at least hired people who do?!

 

[FEENIX]

Here is why i dislike the Creedmoor...

Because there was already a perfectly fine chambering that did all of what the Creed does... The .260 Remington. It was the late-90's version of the Creedmoor, until Remington stopped supporting it, because they released it during the magnum-phase (when everyone was racing for the biggest/best magnum cartridge), and stopped chambering rifles in .260 Rem, and because of their bad timing for releasing it, it pretty much all-but killed it off, except for handloaders, enthusiasts, and BR shooters. And it became virtually forgotten.

The real story here is Remington has communicated in every way but advertising that they couldn't care less what serious shooters have to say. They NEVER supported the 260 or even troubled themselves with the reasoning behind the innovation. Hornady FULLY supported the Creedmoor, the what and the why, and in the process showed that buyers actually know what they want.

Can you imagine the products we'd have if Remington DID care or at least hired people who do?!

You both provided and agreed on the root cause. There's a product that was abandoned by Remington but later picked and supported by Hornady; a product that appeals to end-users that are moving forward - in short, it's a win for Hornady and it's end-users.

I'm just happy we have plenty of choices. Cheers!