Accubond LR Comparison and G7 BC Test

[Broz]

if terminal performance is good,

And long range accuracy too. That is what I would like to see in a few tests. This is to be "The Long Range Bullet" So expansion, along with accuracy at 1000 plus on paper or steel, are top of the questions for me. And a dust cloud off a rock does not count.. My testing in the past, ( not with this new bullet ) , has proven bonded cores not to be as accurate at distance in my rifles.

Jeff

 

[barnesuser28]

Jeff, i will hopefully be bringing a rifle to the next shoot that will be shooting the 210 ALR. I will try my hardest to get a decent load to use by then. I will have you shoot a group at the 1k steel and see how they do. gun)

 

[MontanaRifleman]

Very informative and valuable info! This is a lot closer to the b.c. most of us thought it would be. Still, if terminal performance is good, it may be a good option......Rich

I'm a little skeptical how well these will hold together when trying to penetrate an elk shoulder if they are advertised to open down to 1300 fps. I know my only experience with an Accubond on a cow elk resulted in the bullet coming apart when it hit the lower spine just behind the rib cage and leaving about a 3" exit hole. I don't plan for shoulder shots, but if it's the only thing I've got, it's nice to know the bullet is up to it and I'm not sure the LRAB is going to be any better than the Berger in that category.

Bottom line for my way of thinking, the 215/230 Bergers have a big BC advantage, and as Jeff showed us last year, the 215 was a very effective killing bullet. I think I'll be sticking with the Bergers or maybe the 200 gr CEB.

 

[elkaholic]

And long range accuracy too. That is what I would like to see in a few tests. This is to be "The Long Range Bullet" So expansion, along with accuracy at 1000 plus on paper or steel, are top of the questions for me. And a dust cloud off a rock does not count.. My testing in the past, ( not with this new bullet ) , has proven bonded cores not to be as accurate at distance in my rifles.

Jeff

I would TOTALLY agree with that!.......Rich

 

[DENWA]

Since the B.C. is close or equal to the bc of the 210 berger and 208 amax, I see no reason to pay 2x the money for these. The s.d.'s on a 30 cal 210 grain bullet are so high that (in my experience) they don't fragment and explode on contact like lighter 30 cal berger's and amax do, and therefore a bonded bullet with that high of a s.d. is not needed. However, if the 168 grain lrab's have the same b.c. as their Berger counterparts, I do think it would be a great choice for long range hunting and the cost could be justified.

Sorry but the 208 AMAX is NOT a hunting bullet. As stated by many others and confirmed on my 2011 South African trip. Even at lower impact velocities, very little, if any, penetration and recovery of more than Jacket fragments are RARE. These bullets are not OK for humane kills.

 

[Michael Eichele]

Sorry but the 208 AMAX is NOT a hunting bullet. As stated by many others and confirmed on my 2011 South African trip. Even at lower impact velocities, very little, if any, penetration and recovery of more than Jacket fragments are RARE. These bullets are not OK for humane kills.

Lol!!!

 

[Michael Eichele]

Sorry but the 208 AMAX is NOT a hunting bullet. As stated by many others and confirmed on my 2011 South African trip. Even at lower impact velocities, very little, if any, penetration and recovery of more than Jacket fragments are RARE. These bullets are not OK for humane kills.

For thin skinned North American game such as deer, sheep and antelope and sub magnum velocities, I dare you to back that up with real world experience.

I've had more 'humane' kills on medium game with amaxs than any other 'hunting' bullet.

I'll agree that elk and moose are different but smaller game......well lets say that you are in the minority as far as opinions on amaxs and long range hunting. At least on this site, there is many more times the controversy over bergers than amaxs.

Amaxs may not always pass through but at least amaxs don't pencil through.

 

[jsthntn247]

I would feel confident shooting anything in North American with my 300Wm and a 208 amax.

 

[elkaholic]

I've seen some pretty good performasnce with the A-Max even down to 300-400 yards on deer and bear......Rich

 

[DENWA]

While I'm not as computer literate and you folks, Its often hard to get my point across via computer. Don't take offense.

My experience on KUDU, Eland, GemsBok, and Wildebeest has been they do not perform.

The 2 PH's (I'm now good friends with) laughed when I told them what I was shooting.

They call the A-MAX the meat-musher for the superficial damage it does.

The skinners-butchers in SA who clean hundreds of animals a year agreed. But what do they know?

Don't confuse your limited experience as evidence of performance.

People that do this for a living and the manufacturer disagree with real evidence.

Accurate yes. Hunting bullets no.

Otherwise Hornady would market them as acceptable for thin skinned game.

Hopefully, Ethics is not a lost concept on your generation.

 

[Kennibear]

MMERSS

Many thanks for your efforts!!! You have answered many of the questions I had. Thank you for taking the time and posting the results.

Concerning the Amax/ABLR hunting suitability. TikkaMike's Dad had it right- two holes, one in and one out. I know the controversy but Denwa is relaying the experience of the African PH's who have considerable experience in these matters. Elmer Keith once said African game did not experience winter so never became "poor in the flesh" because of winter's toll on the herds. He believed that pound for pound African game was tougher than North American game.

Just sayin'...

KB

 

[WildRose]

While I'm not as computer literate and you folks, Its often hard to get my point across via computer. Don't take offense.

My experience on KUDU, Eland, GemsBok, and Wildebeest has been they do not perform.

The 2 PH's (I'm now good friends with) laughed when I told them what I was shooting.

They call the A-MAX the meat-musher for the superficial damage it does.

The skinners-butchers in SA who clean hundreds of animals a year agreed. But what do they know?

Don't confuse your limited experience as evidence of performance.

People that do this for a living and the manufacturer disagree with real evidence.

Accurate yes. Hunting bullets no.

Otherwise Hornady would market them as acceptable for thin skinned game.

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Ethics is a taboo subject on this forum so please respect our host and edit.

I'm not a fan of the Amax bullet for hunting but Hornady does in fact recommend them for light, thin skinned game and varmints.

Personally I think the Hornady Interbond and Nosler Accubond are ideal hunting bullets for this application and do not trust the Amax at all for game till you get up to the heavies and I'm not even going to shoot them.

On my trip to Africa I will personally be shooting nothing but Hornady DGX and Nosler Accubonds and perhaps some Accubond LR's but that's another story yet to be written.

 

[elkaholic]

While I'm not as computer literate and you folks, Its often hard to get my point across via computer. Don't take offense.

My experience on KUDU, Eland, GemsBok, and Wildebeest has been they do not perform.

The 2 PH's (I'm now good friends with) laughed when I told them what I was shooting.

They call the A-MAX the meat-musher for the superficial damage it does.

The skinners-butchers in SA who clean hundreds of animals a year agreed. But what do they know?

Don't confuse your limited experience as evidence of performance.

People that do this for a living and the manufacturer disagree with real evidence.

Accurate yes. Hunting bullets no.

Otherwise Hornady would market them as acceptable for thin skinned game.

Hopefully, Ethics is not a lost concept on your generation.

Deer and Black Bear at 300-400 yards out, in NO WAY, is the equivalent of shooting a Kudu, Eland, Wildabeast, etc! That is why most of us stay away from elk sized game at close range with these bulltes. Bullet impact velocity has a HUGE amount of effect on performance. I have never been in Africa, let alone hunted African game, but based on my experience with relative size and toughness of an elk, for example, I feel pretty comfortable with my comments concerning 300-400 shots on deer and bear. Personally, I would rather (ethically) shoot an A-max at long range than something like an (A-frame) that might be used in Africa. REMEMBER, this is a long range forum......Rich

 

[Broz]

Deer and Black Bear at 300-400 yards out, in NO WAY, is the equivalent of shooting a Kudu, Eland, Wildabeast, etc! That is why most of us stay away from elk sized game at close range with these bulltes. Bullet impact velocity has a HUGE amount of effect on performance. I have never been in Africa, let alone hunted African game, but based on my experience with relative size and toughness of an elk, for example, I feel pretty comfortable with my comments concerning 300-400 shots on deer and bear. Personally, I would rather (ethically) shoot an A-max at long range than something like an (A-frame) that might be used in Africa. REMEMBER, this is a long range forum......Rich

Bingo!!!!!!! we have a winner!!!lightbulb

I agree Rich.

Jeff