7mm STW Brotherhood - For those who shoot the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner

Welcome to the forum.

All 3 of those calibers will do the job with the right bullet selection and proper shot placement. The STW and RUM will do the job with more authority (more velocity and kinetic energy) than the RemMag when compared with equal weight bullets.

I am a big fan of both the RemMag and the STW. Not really a fan of the RUM...But to each, his own.

For what you are wanting to accomplish, the STW or RUM with the Berger 180 Hybrids or the new Berger 195 EOL Hybrids would be the best option. The 180's will shoot fine out of a 1:9 twist, the 195's will require a 1:8 twist.

Thank you for the welcome MudRunner!

So basically there isn't that much difference between the 7mmRM and the STW. What I have been thinking of doing is buying a Tikka 7mmRM taking the barrel off and have it glass bedded and free floating on a McMillan - Weatherby Stock, and replacing the factory trigger system with a Jard trigger System.

This will be the only long range rife I ever buy, and I want to make sure I select the right 7mm. What do you think of my setup as described above?
 
Hi, I am very happy to find this site!!!

I am in the process of buying a 7mm and I am not exactly sure which one to go with but I want my new rifle to be able to shoot out to 1000 yards and have the energy to kill elk and moose at that distance. The scope I will be using is a Huskemaw Blue Diamond 5-20x50.

Which would be a better choice to accomplish this a 7mm Remington Mag, 7mm RUM or a 7mm STW?

Any advise would be more then welcome, thank you. :)
7mm STW without a doubt. If you'll do a custom or semi custom with a 28-30" barrel it will beat the 7mm Rem with equal bullets by 200fps or more.

It isn't as hot at the 7mm Rum but the gain in velocity/energy from the rum simply isn't worth the reduced barrel life, increased recoil and increased muzzle blast or the added powder expense to get there.

Welcome to the family.
 
Thank you for the welcome MudRunner!

So basically there isn't that much difference between the 7mmRM and the STW. What I have been thinking of doing is buying a Tikka 7mmRM taking the barrel off and have it glass bedded and free floating on a McMillan - Weatherby Stock, and replacing the factory trigger system with a Jard trigger System.

This will be the only long range rife I ever buy, and I want to make sure I select the right 7mm. What do you think of my setup as described above?
Not a bad plan.gun)
 
Not a bad plan.gun)

Thanks for the welcome WildRose, appreciated.

My gunsmith recommended the Tikka 7mm Rem Mag and has done that basic setup for many customers. I can pick a new one up here in Canada for under $900.00, but I do not like the stock so it would have to go. My gunsmith uses a different custom stock, but I like the McMillan Weatherby because it fits me very well and to me fit and feel is very important.

You mentioned that the STW with a " 28-30" barrel it will beat the 7mm Rem with equal bullets by 200fps or more", I like that sound of that!

Which off the shelf STW would you recommend? Also which bullets and grain do you suggest?

Thank you! :)
 
Killer bee if I were you I would check out Redhawk Rifles. I had a Sako 995 in 7STW that shot pretty well but it was a bit heavy and I had a long list of features I wanted in my ONE real serious LR hunting rifle. I got a "semi-custom" rifle from the guys at Redhawk and I am super pleased with it. I wanted .5 MOA accuracy or better in a stainless rifle that weighed no more than my .270 Featherweight and that's what I got. All for a hair under $2K. Surprisingly, recoil is VERY manageable also.
 
Killer bee if I were you I would check out Redhawk Rifles. I had a Sako 995 in 7STW that shot pretty well but it was a bit heavy and I had a long list of features I wanted in my ONE real serious LR hunting rifle. I got a "semi-custom" rifle from the guys at Redhawk and I am super pleased with it. I wanted .5 MOA accuracy or better in a stainless rifle that weighed no more than my .270 Featherweight and that's what I got. All for a hair under $2K. Surprisingly, recoil is VERY manageable also.

Thanks bobs, that is one thing that I did not mention. The last rifle I want is a heavy tank of a rifle! My last rifle was a Browning Mountain Ti 300 WSM, it weighed I believe about 7 1/5 lbs. with my Huskemaw Blue Diamond on it.

The only problem was that the turret went to 900 yards max and I want to exceed that. Not that I will need it, but it would be nice to know that if I do I can take the shot without worrying about maiming the poor animal. I want to kill and eat it, not injure it. :cool:
 
Thanks bobs, that is one thing that I did not mention. The last rifle I want is a heavy tank of a rifle! My last rifle was a Browning Mountain Ti 300 WSM, it weighed I believe about 7 1/5 lbs. with my Huskemaw Blue Diamond on it.

The only problem was that the turret went to 900 yards max and I want to exceed that. Not that I will need it, but it would be nice to know that if I do I can take the shot without worrying about maiming the poor animal. I want to kill and eat it, not injure it. :cool:

Killer I just went to the Redhawk website and it looks like their prices have gone up some! I got their Alaskan model in 7stw a couple years ago. Apparently, someone had ordered it built and then cancelled, so they listed it for sale on line and I got a great deal. It has a 26" Fluted SS barrel, B&C Medalist II stock, fluted bolt and skeletonized bolt handle. Basically it is a copy of the Rem Alaskan Ti without the titanium. The barrel is a 26" Douglas Premium/air-guaged and It's a little heavier contour than your normal sporter, but the fluting keeps the weight down. Blueprinted & Cryo treated. I hike a lot when I hunt and I keep my rifle ready for sudden opportunities so I need a rifle that is easy to handle and points quick, not a big bulky tactical model. The only change I'd make is to put a Jewell trigger in it. I put a Leup VX III CDS 4.5x14x40 in low Talley Lightweight rings on it (again to keep the weight down). As is, it shoots under 1/2" with everything I have run through it including 2 very different factory loads. As far as caliber choice is concerned I absolutely love the 7stw. I had a 7Rem mag and a 300 Win mag that I liked a lot but I got rid of both when I bought my first STW 15 years ago. The 7stw does anything either of them can do only better, with same or less recoil. As far as the 7 RUM is concerned, it is WAY overbore. The case capacity of the stw is just about perfect, given the powders available, and I'm pretty sure that's why the new 28 Nosler has virtually identical capacity. Just my opinions and preferences, but the rifle & caliber both work perfectly for me and the way I hunt. Good luck on your new build and welcome to the brotherhood!
 
Killer I just went to the Redhawk website and it looks like their prices have gone up some! I got their Alaskan model in 7stw a couple years ago. Apparently, someone had ordered it built and then cancelled, so they listed it for sale on line and I got a great deal. It has a 26" Fluted SS barrel, B&C Medalist II stock, fluted bolt and skeletonized bolt handle. Basically it is a copy of the Rem Alaskan Ti without the titanium. The barrel is a 26" Douglas Premium/air-guaged and It's a little heavier contour than your normal sporter, but the fluting keeps the weight down. Blueprinted & Cryo treated. I hike a lot when I hunt and I keep my rifle ready for sudden opportunities so I need a rifle that is easy to handle and points quick, not a big bulky tactical model. The only change I'd make is to put a Jewell trigger in it. I put a Leup VX III CDS 4.5x14x40 in low Talley Lightweight rings on it (again to keep the weight down). As is, it shoots under 1/2" with everything I have run through it including 2 very different factory loads. As far as caliber choice is concerned I absolutely love the 7stw. I had a 7Rem mag and a 300 Win mag that I liked a lot but I got rid of both when I bought my first STW 15 years ago. The 7stw does anything either of them can do only better, with same or less recoil. As far as the 7 RUM is concerned, it is WAY overbore. The case capacity of the stw is just about perfect, given the powders available, and I'm pretty sure that's why the new 28 Nosler has virtually identical capacity. Just my opinions and preferences, but the rifle & caliber both work perfectly for me and the way I hunt. Good luck on your new build and welcome to the brotherhood!

Welcome to the brotherhood! Awesome man, for the first time in a long time I feel like I am home. When I talk to people in Canada about long range shooting they call me a heretic.

Thanks for your welcome bobs, more then greatly appreciated FO SURE!!!! :)
 
Thanks for the welcome WildRose, appreciated.

My gunsmith recommended the Tikka 7mm Rem Mag and has done that basic setup for many customers. I can pick a new one up here in Canada for under $900.00, but I do not like the stock so it would have to go. My gunsmith uses a different custom stock, but I like the McMillan Weatherby because it fits me very well and to me fit and feel is very important.

You mentioned that the STW with a " 28-30" barrel it will beat the 7mm Rem with equal bullets by 200fps or more", I like that sound of that!

Which off the shelf STW would you recommend? Also which bullets and grain do you suggest?

Thank you! :)
If you could find one, and they do occasionally come up for sale the best off the shelf 7mm STW ever made is probably the Winchester Model 70 Sharpshooter.

Next to that it depends on what is more important to you, lighter weight for ease of carry or long range accuracy. I have one of the original Remington Custom 7mm STW's which is about a 7.5-8lbs rifle that has killed hundreds of deer and coyotes out to over 1300yds with the majority under 600.

One of the most consistently accurate platforms ever produced as a factory rifle is the Weatherby Accumark. If you look around on gun broker and armslist you will occasionally see them pop up. at a reasonable price. They are typically incredibly accurate rifles but they weigh in about the same or a little heavier than the Remington Sendero.

If you can find a Remington Sendero in 7mm STW that's a great way to go and you can always buy one in 7mm and simply rechamber it to the STW.

To build a new one from scratch what I would do is simply pick up a Winchester model 70 controlled round feed either in pre 64 or the modern incarnation (not the 70's/80's version which is push feed) of the same action, call Chris at Benchmark or the old man at Schneider Barrels and go with a Light Varmint barrel contour which is about the same as most maker's #3.5 contour. It's a bit lighter than the Sendero, a bit heavier than the standard magnum contour from either Rem or Winchester factory contours.

The other action very worthy of consideration is the Montanna M1999 which is a beefed up Model 70 CRF. You can distinguish the CRF from the Push feed bery easily. If it has that big ole claw feed extractor, it is a Controlled Round Feed action rather than the Push Feed.

The reason you want to go with a longer barrel mainly is so that you can make full use of that extra case capacity, use slower burning powders, and thus achieve higher velocities without excessive throat erosion.

When you go with a 26" or shorter barrel the gain over the 7mm Rem velocity wise isn't as great and it's absolutely pointless to shoot any of the Rum's with a barrel under 28" as so much of that extra powder will never burn before the bullet exits the barrel.

Hope that helps.
 
Thanks bobs, that is one thing that I did not mention. The last rifle I want is a heavy tank of a rifle! My last rifle was a Browning Mountain Ti 300 WSM, it weighed I believe about 7 1/5 lbs. with my Huskemaw Blue Diamond on it.

The only problem was that the turret went to 900 yards max and I want to exceed that. Not that I will need it, but it would be nice to know that if I do I can take the shot without worrying about maiming the poor animal. I want to kill and eat it, not injure it. :cool:
When you get serious about shooting long range most scopes start bottoming out of adjustment pretty quick with standard mounts.

To solve that problem you don't necessarily need to buy another scope, just add a 10 or 20 MOA base.

What is really important is to have a good quality scope that won't bust on you due to the recoil/shock and to have high quality glass and good parallax adjustment.

Parallax can really foul you up at long range.
 
Thanks for all of the input Wildrose, it's amazing to me how much research goes into finding the right rifle to meet my needs and nice to have input from all of the good folks here!

You mentioned/suggested buying a 7mm and rechamber it to the STW. Do you think that a Tikka T3 Hunter Stainless would be a suitable barrel to have rechambered? I would then swap out their stock and replace it with a McMillan Weatherby stock. The barrel will be glass bedded and free floating.

In terms of scopes, there are a ton of them out there and the price ranges are all over the map. When I researched scopes a few years ago the two finalists were Nightforce and Huskemaw. My final choice was the Huskemaw Blue Diamond 5-20x50 for three reasons: #1. Its weight #2. Ease of use (their turret system) and 3. The price point, I bought mine new for $1,499.00 Canadian dollars. I am very happy with it. I use Talley ring mounts.

I am not a bench or competition shooter, all I do is hunt after making sure the rifle is sighted in each fall typically I do not shoot more then 20 shots a year with my rifle and usually kill a moose and 4 deer a year, not all with my rifle some with my bow as well. So the scope does not get punished much compared to many people that shoot all year long.

Would you happen to know how much more velocity and energy I would gain by rechambering to STW, and what do you think would be the maximum range of this type of barrel set up? Thanks!
 
Did some research, that smoking! Would you use 140 grains on elk?

7mm STW


BRAND: Trophy Grade Ammunition | BULLET STYLE: Partition
PART #: 60046 | COUNT: 20 | MSRP: $73.50
BULLET WEIGHT: 140 | BBL TWIST RQMT: 1-9.5"
FOR USE: Deer/Elk Sized Game | LEAD-FREE: N
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MUZ: Velocity 3,300 : Energy: 3384
800 Yards: 1713 : 912
 
Thanks for all of the input Wildrose, it's amazing to me how much research goes into finding the right rifle to meet my needs and nice to have input from all of the good folks here!

You mentioned/suggested buying a 7mm and rechamber it to the STW. Do you think that a Tikka T3 Hunter Stainless would be a suitable barrel to have rechambered? I would then swap out their stock and replace it with a McMillan Weatherby stock. The barrel will be glass bedded and free floating.

In terms of scopes, there are a ton of them out there and the price ranges are all over the map. When I researched scopes a few years ago the two finalists were Nightforce and Huskemaw. My final choice was the Huskemaw Blue Diamond 5-20x50 for three reasons: #1. Its weight #2. Ease of use (their turret system) and 3. The price point, I bought mine new for $1,499.00 Canadian dollars. I am very happy with it. I use Talley ring mounts.

I am not a bench or competition shooter, all I do is hunt after making sure the rifle is sighted in each fall typically I do not shoot more then 20 shots a year with my rifle and usually kill a moose and 4 deer a year, not all with my rifle some with my bow as well. So the scope does not get punished much compared to many people that shoot all year long.

Would you happen to know how much more velocity and energy I would gain by rechambering to STW, and what do you think would be the maximum range of this type of barrel set up? Thanks!
My hands on experience with TIkka's is nil so I can't tell you from experience. I do know from what others here say about their Tikkas they are very happy with them as a rule.

My advice would be to talk to the GS about it and see what he thinks.

Your velocity gain will probably be in the neighborhood of 100-150fps depending on what bullet and powder/load prove most accurate in your rifle. Some barrels run faster than others even with everything else identical. There's about 10-12% more powder in the STW but with the 26" barrel you won't quite get as much out of it as you would with the longer because there will be more powder that isn't burned before the bullet exits the barrel.

The scope you have should be more than adequate to get to 1000yds probably even without getting a canted base. Read the user manual that came with it and set up accordingly.

If you want to get out there any further though, you may need to reconfigure a bit.

To get to a thousand hitting with consistency the most important thing will be to have your marksmanship fundamentals pretty well flawless. A slight torque when squeezing the trigger, a slight cant left or right off of exact level, your scope not being mounted true and level to your action etc and your groups can open up to several feet very quickly so take it easy on yourself and work out slow.

If you haven't yet really mastered the fundamentals buy something to plink and practice with that's cheap to shoot. Even a .22lr will do the job! When I was a kid we would literally practice trying to light wooden Strke Anywhere Matches out to fifty feet with a .22lr and even try to split a playing card sideways. That's the kind of marksmanship mechanics you need to hit sub MOA at that range. Anyone can do it occasionally with the right rig and someone setting it up for them but to do it with consistency is a lot of work.

While you're working on the basics read everything you can on mastering the wind.

Bryan Litz books on LR shooting will be a big help if you're more of a bookworm than internet fact grabber, (no insult in the latter, most people don't have the patience to read a book anymore LOL)

This website if you use it right can be the most valuable resource you ever find. Ask any of us "Old Guys" what we'd have given to have access to this much information at out fingertips when we were getting started 2,3,4 decades ago!
 
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