7mm STW Brotherhood - For those who shoot the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner

[Rent Outdoor Gear]

Mine has a fairly inexpensive Bell and Carlson stock that I bedded. In my opinion the recoil of the STW is less abrupt than a lot of other rifles I have shot and owned. More of a hard push than a punch. I think that may be due to the slower burning powders typically used. It doesn't start to bother me until about 15 rounds on a given session. Then I start dreading each pull of the trigger a bit more. Then it's nice to screw on the brake and it feels like a .223! I do all my load development without the brake though because that's how I hunt. If I'm just out screwing around though - the brake is nice - especially if you're trying to spot your own hits at long range.

The Wyatt mag I have is a BDL style - there may be other options I'm not aware of. Typically takes a little gunsmithing to get rounds to feed perfectly out of them, but could be installed by yours truly if you're capable of such feats. For my $ and peace of mind it was better left to a competent smith.

 

[8mmREMmag]

I've been looking at the Final Finnish and TMS kits. Not load data. Just says use reduced load. Any ideas? I mean I'm no dummie but "reduced load" can mean reduced from the fullest ever so slightly or maybe just sort of a mid load. I'd imagine you can't reduce much from the lightest load. Just saying. Anyone know?

 

[8mmREMmag]

I've been looking at the Final Finnish and TMS kits. Not load data. Just says use reduced load. Any ideas? I mean I'm no dummie but "reduced load" can mean reduced from the fullest ever so slightly or maybe just sort of a mid load. I'd imagine you can't reduce much from the lightest load. Just saying. Anyone know?

Never mind. Says to use the starting load for each grain listed. Got it.

 

[Rent Outdoor Gear]

Never mind. Says to use the starting load for each grain listed. Got it.

Yeah, I think the 7mm kits come with 140 grain bullets so use a starting load with your favorite powder for a 140, load them up and polish that tube up.

 

[Lefty7mmstw]

Hello. First time posting
Long time fan of the 7mm STW first time user. Just picked out a Limited edition Remington 700 SPS 7mm STW. Can't find much on it. Seen a few things in here about it. It's a 26" bbl with 9 twist. I have other 700s but never one like this. Does anyone have anything good to say about it? Seen plenty of bad but is it really just a paper weight? I have a Remington 700 ADL 8mm Rem mag i re barreled and re stocked and it's a NICE rifle. 3/4" group with 3 shots at 200 yards. Is my 7mm STW going to be anywhere close? Thanks. Have a nice day

they seem to run the gamut from great to crappy. My brother has one that is a 1/2 moa rifle with select loads. Some on this forum have had recent sps 7stw's that needed to be rebarreled as they were terrible. I say shoot it as it first and see how she flies. Shooting grit bullets through her if she doesn't need it will simply reduce an already rather limited barrel life.

 

[WildRose]

Hello. First time posting
Long time fan of the 7mm STW first time user. Just picked out a Limited edition Remington 700 SPS 7mm STW. Can't find much on it. Seen a few things in here about it. It's a 26" bbl with 9 twist. I have other 700s but never one like this. Does anyone have anything good to say about it? Seen plenty of bad but is it really just a paper weight? I have a Remington 700 ADL 8mm Rem mag i re barreled and re stocked and it's a NICE rifle. 3/4" group with 3 shots at 200 yards. Is my 7mm STW going to be anywhere close? Thanks. Have a nice day

As stated they run from great to crappy.

If it were me I'd either go ahead and try to put it in a good stock, or just float, bed, including pillars, and shoot it.

If you can get 2 moa after that in the crappy factory stock putting it in a good stock and finding the right load for it will probably make it a good purchase.

Sometimes the SPS's are rough on the machining and really working the bolt, trigger and safety quite a bit with lapping compound can smooth them out and make the run nice. Some of them will be real sharp edged on the feed rails as well, sharp enough to cut your finger even and they need to be buffed enough to take the sharp off.

You've already got it so you might as well put some time into it and see what she'll do.

 

[8mmREMmag]

I hear that. Just need to find a bit of time and go play with it and then make adjustments from there. I also seem to buy something I want when the price is right and THEN do the research. You can imagine my feeling after the purchase once I started reading some "reviews"

 

[MudRunner2005]

I hear that. Just need to find a bit of time and go play with it and then make adjustments from there. I also seem to buy something I want when the price is right and THEN do the research. You can imagine my feeling after the purchase once I started reading some "reviews"

Internet BS is just that... The only way to find out is to do some load development for it, and see how it shoots. You can read positive and negative opinions on the internet all day, but not one single internet opinion will affect how accurate, or inaccurate your particular rifle is.

 

[8mmREMmag]

1:9 is borderline with 180's and heavier depending on your altitude and conditions so I would check Berger's online calculator to determine your stability factor in expected shooting scenarios. 1.4 is minimum recommended and 1.5 is better. Lower temp and altitude = lower stability factor. Higher altitude and temp = better stability factor. Velocity is also a factor, higher is better.

I would definitely get a Wyatts box if you're planning to play with the VLD's - seating depth will be critical and you don't have much room to play with a 3.7" standard magazine. My loaded rounds are about about 3.84" long with the bullet still .050" off the lands. 1:8 or 8.5 is absolutely a better choice if you think you're going to shoot the 195's.

I was looking at the Wyatt mags and the CFE12 allows for a 3.825" COAL I'm not seeing the 4" you were talking about. Any idea the model number?

 

[8mmREMmag]

CFE 9 w/ F10 follower got it. Now to find some in stock

 

[MudRunner2005]

CFE 9 w/ F10 follower got it. Now to find some in stock

Midway has it in stock. And it comes with the F10 follower.

Wyatt's Outdoors Center Feed Extended Mag Box Follower Remington 700

 

[WildRose]

I hear that. Just need to find a bit of time and go play with it and then make adjustments from there. I also seem to buy something I want when the price is right and THEN do the research. You can imagine my feeling after the purchase once I started reading some "reviews"

Don't put too much stock in "reviews".

When reviews are done online for the most part it's not by knowledgeable folks as much as people who have their own prejudices and little experience.

You'll get at least as many good reviews as bad one's on this site but overall Remington kind of rules the day with most people here not including myself.

I own quite a few of them but I'm partial to my Model 70's more than the Remmy's.

Just had better luck with them.

 

[KillerBee]

Hi, I am very happy to find this site!!!

I am in the process of buying a 7mm and I am not exactly sure which one to go with but I want my new rifle to be able to shoot out to 1000 yards and have the energy to kill elk and moose at that distance. The scope I will be using is a Huskemaw Blue Diamond 5-20x50.

Which would be a better choice to accomplish this a 7mm Remington Mag, 7mm RUM or a 7mm STW?

Any advise would be more then welcome, thank you.

 

[MudRunner2005]

Hi, I am very happy to find this site!!!

I am in the process of buying a 7mm and I am not exactly sure which one to go with but I want my new rifle to be able to shoot out to 1000 yards and have the energy to kill elk and moose at that distance. The scope I will be using is a Huskemaw Blue Diamond 5-20x50.

Which would be a better choice to accomplish this a 7mm Remington Mag, 7mm RUM or a 7mm STW?

Any advise would be more then welcome, thank you.

Welcome to the forum.

All 3 of those calibers will do the job with the right bullet selection and proper shot placement. The STW and RUM will do the job with more authority (more velocity and kinetic energy) than the RemMag when compared with equal weight bullets.

I am a big fan of both the RemMag and the STW. Not really a fan of the RUM...But to each, his own.

For what you are wanting to accomplish, the STW or RUM with the Berger 180 Hybrids or the new Berger 195 EOL Hybrids would be the best option. The 180's will shoot fine out of a 1:9 twist, the 195's will require a 1:8 twist.