7mm Berger 180 Hybrids

[elkaholic]

Good questions
I should have posted that originally

Shot was 635 yards
7saum
180 hybrid @ 3000fps
3 shots in a 3 inch placement behind the shoulder
All 3 shots had no perceived effect.
Watching through a spotting scope it wouldn't even flinch. I could watch the bullet swirl in and hit its mark. Each shot was 10-15 seconds each after the first one.
Shot and see the results.
All 3 never fazed him. Just stood there. Finally 4 shot was placed in the neck shoulder area and it dropped
While field dressing the bull I saw that all 3 boiler room shots had penciled through both lungs and exited with a wound approximately like the entrance

My cousin bought my first 7SS from me and I was with him when this happened.
My load was a 180 Hybrid at 3004 fps. The elk was at 611 yards quartering away. The bullet entered perfectly half way up the rib cage behind the shoulder a few inches and exited half way up the point of the opposite shoulder. The elk moved into the timber and disappeared. My cousin went down after him, figuring he was down. He bumped him and found only drops of blood. Some 2 hrs plus after he was shot, it became too dark to look for him so we waited until the next morning. We literally stumbled across him while following an elk trail to get over to where we last saw him some 1/4 mile from where he last saw him. We lost some of the meat and didn't gut him but the bullet entered and exited just as I described. STRAIGHT through the boiler room with a bullet hole sized exit coming out the off shoulder. I NEVER use them now without drilling the tips out with a .040" bit into the cavity. The new EH does not seen to have this issue.

 

[RH300UM]

I know it would be hard could you take a pic of the clogged tips. I'd like to see them. I'm going through quite a few of them looking

Unfortunately this is as good as I could get the pic

 

[FURMAN]

My cousin bought my first 7SS from me and I was with him when this happened.
My load was a 180 Hybrid at 3004 fps. The elk was at 611 yards quartering away. The bullet entered perfectly half way up the rib cage behind the shoulder a few inches and exited half way up the point of the opposite shoulder. The elk moved into the timber and disappeared. My cousin went down after him, figuring he was down. He bumped him and found only drops of blood. Some 2 hrs plus after he was shot, it became too dark to look for him so we waited until the next morning. We literally stumbled across him while following an elk trail to get over to where we last saw him some 1/4 mile from where he last saw him. We lost some of the meat and didn't gut him but the bullet entered and exited just as I described. STRAIGHT through the boiler room with a bullet hole sized exit coming out the off shoulder. I NEVER use them now without drilling the tips out with a .040" bit into the cavity. The new EH does not seen to have this issue.

I have seen this numerous times the only difference is I have cleaned the animals and found the internals destroyed with the jacket dispersed inside. It becomes more likely at lower impact velocities. The lead core passes through more often than not when the distance grows.

 

[elkaholic]

180 Berger. Trust me they all will fail. This one entered right lung and stopped left side in hide in the shoulder just under hide. Elk did a 180 turn and put the second in left lung and it was over. 100yards distance View attachment 444155

Thats EXACTLY what they do sometimes in media too, even at over 2000' velocity when they aren't drilled.
this is very likely what happened with the one I described although sometimes, the bullet will tumble and cause damage.

 

[RH300UM]

Here's another one

 

[elkaholic]

I have seen this numerous times the only difference is I have cleaned the animals and found the internals destroyed with the jacket dispersed inside. It becomes more likely at lower impact velocities. The lead core passes through more often than not when the distance grows.

The exit hole in the shoulder looked very much like a solid would look and the bullet traveled a straight line through the animal, and through a LOT of mass! Im 90% sure it did not expand.

 

[RH300UM]

Here's another one
3 in 20 bullets in this box from this lot so far

 

[RH300UM]

The exit hole in the shoulder looked very much like a solid would look and the bullet traveled a straight line through the animal, and through a LOT of mass! Im 90% sure it did not expand.

What my experience was also

 

[RH300UM]

 

[RH300UM]

So not any copper jacket? The lead almost always "pencils" through on Bergers. The jacket is what usually puts the animals down. I know I was not there but the chances that three bullets did not expand are astronomical. I have seen too many people call the lead core exiting "penciling". I would say roughly 75% of my kills with Bergers the jacket disintegrates and the lead core penetrates all the way through.

No jacket
No lead
No bullet
Straight through

 

[RH300UM]

Out of 45 bullets from this box I checked 7 are bad
Bad is it won't allow drill bit to enter the cavity
The other 38 except the bit easily

 

[FURMAN]

No jacket
No lead
No bullet
Straight through

Interesting.

 

[RH300UM]

Best I could get of the 7 together with my phone

 

[Longtine88]

Out of 45 bullets from this box I checked 7 are bad
Bad is it won't allow drill bit to enter the cavity
The other 38 except the bit easily

Well great......I'll be checking bullets all day tomorrow after church.