6.8 western be 6.5prc

[IHFarmer07]

One way of knowing if a caliber is here to stay is what brass manufacturers jump on board to produce brass and nobody will know that for a few years. We will see if Lapua, Peterson, ADG, Alpha and Norma will make it, if they don't it'll be just what @WildRose has been saying for 10 pages, it'll be a hunting only round that will be a seasonal seller to a small niche following.
My first deer was killed with a standard .270 which was awesome being 12-13 years old and a 270 is all my dad owns. I've seen my fair share of penciled deer with a .270 with 130g ballistic tip Winchester and federal ammo. So I have some experience with the .277 caliber but there's not much of a chance on me ever buying a .277 anything, it's just not a very optimal caliber for some. If it was you should/would have competition shooters using the caliber but you don't. No body uses it for short range, long range or elr competition anything, why is that. The reason is the .277 caliber has no great advantage over the .243, .264, .280, .30 just like wildrose said multiple times.
It's great to have more offerings and options for ppl but one thing I see great out of the western offering is more wild catting of the more mainstream .243, .264, .280, .30, .338 calibers. As of now Winchester is the only affordable brass option and that don't fly with most shooters. The other brass maker for it is RCC at $5.38 a piece. Time will tell.

 

[Hard rock]

One way of knowing if a caliber is here to stay is what brass manufacturers jump on board to produce brass and nobody will know that for a few years. We will see if Lapua, Peterson, ADG, Alpha and Norma will make it, if they don't it'll be just what @WildRose has been saying for 10 pages, it'll be a hunting only round that will be a seasonal seller to a small niche following.
My first deer was killed with a standard .270 which was awesome being 12-13 years old and a 270 is all my dad owns. I've seen my fair share of penciled deer with a .270 with 130g ballistic tip Winchester and federal ammo. So I have some experience with the .277 caliber but there's not much of a chance on me ever buying a .277 anything, it's just not a very optimal caliber for some. If it was you should/would have competition shooters using the caliber but you don't. No body uses it for short range, long range or elr competition anything, why is that. The reason is the .277 caliber has no great advantage over the .243, .264, .280, .30 just like wildrose said multiple times.
It's great to have more offerings and options for ppl but one thing I see great out of the western offering is more wild catting of the more mainstream .243, .264, .280, .30, .338 calibers. As of now Winchester is the only affordable brass option and that don't fly with most shooters. The other brass maker for it is RCC at $5.38 a piece. Time will tell.

There is one thing for certain ,there will be factory ammo around ,if there is for anything, a long time after we are all gone for the 270win . I love my 6.5s and my 25-284 but I never pass on a good by of a 270 win . My 3 yr old grandson was with me a few months ago at a gun store and I ran across a estate sale on a pre 64 mod 70 win beautiful rifle . I bought it for 600 dollars and said son this is your rifle , he looked at it and pulled on the trigger , he will have plenty other rifles but that one is waiting in the safe.

 

[Lou270]

I think you guys have it a bit backwards. These super high quality brass makers are the "niche market" and the big ammo companies are the big sellers. Now that is important for precision junkies like us but whether lapua sells brass for a round or not means little how successful a round is or will be. Look at some of the oddball stuff they offer. They are targeting a very specific crowd who will pay more for small quantities/high quality which is something that is waste of time for big guys who do well selling a lot more at lower cost/quality

Lou

 

[Raudy707]

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[Raudy707]

I love the 6.8 Western idea, but that is because I have a 8 twist barrel on my 270 WSM. But at this time in history and with this Biden administration, this is a terrible time to release a new rifle cartridge. We can't even find a bullet, primers or powder these days. I don't see the ammo companies putting a lot if effort into a 6.8 Western when everyone in the US is screaming for 6.5 Creedmoor, 308, 7mm mag and 300 mags. It's just **** poor timing. Me being partial to the .277 cal I love the cartridge but I give little hope to take over the market even though it is a better hunting round than a 6.5 Creed or 6.5 PRC.

 

[Deleted member 109523]

I love the 6.8 Western idea, but that is because I have a 8 twist barrel on my 270 WSM. But at this time in history and this Biden administration is a terrible time to release a new rifle cartridge. We can't even find a bullet, primers or powder these days. I don't see the ammo companies putting a lot if effort into a 6.8 Western when everyone in the US is screaming for 6.5 Creedmoor, 308, 7mm mag and 300 mags. It's just **** poor timing. Me being partial to the .277 cal I love the cartridge but I give little hope to take over the market even though it is a better hunting round than a 6.5 Creed or 6.5 PRC.

I agree one hundred present , and I don't own or plan to own a western. I like there idea, and it's a better round with proper bullets.
They had the same great Idea that hornady had, by offering everything in a pkg. I would love to see them and other companies succeed as well to share the wealth. I did taxidermy for years, and competed in national and world competitions. About 10 years ago, I watched Mckenzie take over almost the whole taxidermy supply industry. The year or two after they bought up most of the other company's, everything just about doubled in price. Everybody paid the price, either the costumer or the taxidermist. I don't think that's quit happening yet here, but if one company got that big to buy out the others, you could see, (and I say could see) a lot higher prices than you do rite now. I guess it bugs to think the same thing could happen in this industry. Like you said, we've been hit too hard by the biden administration already.

 

[WildRose]

There is one thing for certain ,there will be factory ammo around ,if there is for anything, a long time after we are all gone for the 270win . I love my 6.5s and my 25-284 but I never pass on a good by of a 270 win . My 3 yr old grandson was with me a few months ago at a gun store and I ran across a estate sale on a pre 64 mod 70 win beautiful rifle . I bought it for 600 dollars and said son this is your rifle , he looked at it and pulled on the trigger , he will have plenty other rifles but that one is waiting in the safe.

There will only be factory ammo around as long as they are selling enough to justify tooling up to run it.

That means a whole lot of rifles in the 6.8W are going to have to be sold over the first five years or else it will soon be heading for the dust bin like so many others that have come and gone.

At best it's a coin flip as to whether it's going to be around for the long haul and the odds are against it.

 

[Wetwrk]

I wonder why they didn't just start putting fast twisting barrels on the .270's? Use the same ole brass, same ole primers and just start putting out longer range bullets. Several folks on here have fast twist .270's and they seem more than happy.-WW

 

[Deleted member 109523]

I wonder why they didn't just start putting fast twisting barrels on the .270's? Use the same ole brass, same ole primers and just start putting out longer range bullets. Several folks on here have fast twist .270's and they seem more than happy.-WW

I mentioned this earlier. I wonder where it would go, if a rifle company would offer a regular and an FT model (fast twist) in a few older rounds.
I guess there would probably be some ****ed off people that bought the wrong one, not knowing the difference. Or bought FT ammo for there slow twist rifle

 

[WildRose]

I wonder why they didn't just start putting fast twisting barrels on the .270's? Use the same ole brass, same ole primers and just start putting out longer range bullets. Several folks on here have fast twist .270's and they seem more than happy.-WW

Because there's nothing "new" about the same ole cartridge. They are trying to create a stir and generate interest with the new chambering because new, "improved", "best in it's class" and, "fits in a short action" sells today.

 

[WildRose]

I mentioned this earlier. I wonder where it would go, if a rifle company would offer a regular and an FT model (fast twist) in a few older rounds.
I guess there would probably be some ****ed off people that bought the wrong one, not knowing the difference. Or bought FT ammo for there slow twist rifle

Or just produce the faster twists. Non VLD bullets shoot just fine in faster twist barrels.

 

[Raudy707]

Or just produce the faster twists. Non VLD bullets shoot just fine in faster twist barrels.

From what I've read they are all worried that all the guys with their older 10 twist barrels would be picking up the 165 or 175 grain bullets thinking the heavier weight bullets would be great only to have terrible results at the range. Then they would bad mouth or cancel culture that manufacturer. People aren't smart enough to read and take the advice on the box use 1:9 twist or faster. It's too bad. But I can vouch for your post saying non vld bullets shoot just fine out of my 8 twist. I can shoot 130 MRX which are old discontinued Barnes into one hole groups all day.

 

[IHFarmer07]

I wonder why they didn't just start putting fast twisting barrels on the .270's? Use the same ole brass, same ole primers and just start putting out longer range bullets. Several folks on here have fast twist .270's and they seem more than happy.-WW

I would think it would have to go through the saami approval process again and the reloading manuals will have to be re-written for that change. Just a guess but all saami approved chamberings have a curtain rifling twist on the approved print.

 

[Deleted member 109523]

I would think it would have to go through the saami approval process again and the reloading manuals will have to be re-written for that change. Just a guess but all saami approved chamberings have a curtain rifling twist on the approved print.

That would be a pain. I've noticed 8 twist barrels listed for the 270 wsm's on brownings site for there x bolts. I wonder if they had to go through the hoops on that one