6.5 haters

[bdlesh]

Unfortunately VERY far. We allow people to ID as cats, males, females, and recently watched a video about people who ID as quadriplegic and paraplegic in wheelchair with nothing wrong and Dr signing off on it. We are pretty much in the bottom of the barrel

Didn't all this start around the same time the needmore showed up?

 

[h_1ag]

Here's how I see the 6.5cm bashing for a new guy. Guy decides to get into shooting/hunting, saves up some money and goes to Cabelas, Sportsmans, Scheels wherever and most of what he sees and is sold on are 6.5cm's. He buys one and is all excited, gets home and does an internet search to learn a little more about his new rifle only to find out he might as well shoot a sling shot at game and go buy skinny jeans and start drinking bud light and for pete's sake better not show up to a range with his new rifle unless he's wearing a pride shirt to go with it.

Edit to add - I don't have a 6.5cm, my 6.5 is a 6.5-06 and it's my son's rifle. I do have a 22cm but I don't think that one requires bud light and rainbows, lol

depends- do your head stamps still say "6.5 Creedmoor" on them? From what I've learned on this thread, necking down just means you only have to fly a rainbow flag and drink IPAs, but you don't have to go as far as bud light and man buns.

 

[bdlesh]

Here's how I see the 6.5cm bashing for a new guy. Guy decides to get into shooting/hunting, saves up some money and goes to Cabelas, Sportsmans, Scheels wherever and most of what he sees and is sold on are 6.5cm's. He buys one and is all excited, gets home and does an internet search to learn a little more about his new rifle only to find out he might as well shoot a sling shot at game and go buy skinny jeans and start drinking bud light and for pete's sake better not show up to a range with his new rifle unless he's wearing a pride shirt to go with it.

Edit to add - I don't have a 6.5cm, my 6.5 is a 6.5-06 and it's my son's rifle. I do have a 22cm but I don't think that one requires bud light and rainbows, lol

Maybe if he did that research before heading to Cabela's he wouldn't have the needs to shop for skinny jeans ....

 

[h_1ag]

Just ran my StreLok Pro for my 270 and 6.5C out to 1000 yards. The Creed drops 304 inches at 1000y with 1537fps and the 270 drops 284 inches with 1518fps at 1000y. This is with the Hornady Precision Hunter ELD-X ammo and the same length barrel at 24". So very much like for like comparison, not seeing how the Creed is "Superior" out to 1000y. Well the Creed has 3.4 MOA wind correction per 5mph and the 270 3.9 so .4MOA better which does not quite rate "Superior", slightly better would be the proper description. A more apt description would be that the 270 with 200fps more at the muzzle will delivers a lot harder hit out to 300-400 yards then become equalized to 1000yds. Actually makes the Creed look ok when compared to a much storied older cartridge.

More technical and eloquent description, but still supports my main point, which was that running a longer action with significantly more powder has some closer range energy/velocity advantages that are eventually nullified as distance increases. Suggesting "superior" was too strong a word. Maybe "more efficient" is more appropriate.

I may be mistaken here, but don't neglect that the ELD-X .270 is a new offering (.536 G1 @2970MV). Until just a couple years ago there wasn't much factory ammo available intended for shooting long range at those speeds and BCs. .270 was an overlooked cartridge, and most of the legacy .270 shelf options leave a lot to be desired.

 

[ButterBean]

More technical and eloquent description, but still supports my main point, which was that running a longer action with significantly more powder has some closer range energy/velocity advantages that are eventually nullified as distance increases. Suggesting "superior" was too strong a word. Maybe "more efficient" is more appropriate.

I may be mistaken here, but don't neglect that the ELD-X .270 is a new offering (.536 G1 @2970MV). Until just a couple years ago there wasn't much factory ammo available intended for shooting long range at those speeds and BCs. .270 was an overlooked cartridge, and most of the legacy .270 shelf options leave a lot to be desired.

 

[h_1ag]

The 6.5 CM (Hornady's ELD-X) is a 143 gr bullet traveling at around 2630ish fps out of a 22-24" barrel. It's about like 20+ other rounds I can name that do about the same thing at 0-200 yards

I don't know if Steve was dumb lucky or evil genius but he hit a cord with the American public's fascination with single person marksmanship and snipers. The 6.5 CM doesn't start to do anything real special until after 600 yards and which point the longer better BC bullets start to pull away from some of the older standards. I could care less about drop. But it does manage drift well.

Most people don't shoot that often. Most don't have ranges over 200 yards to practice at (let alone 1000 yard). Most don't go hunting. The few that do don't shoot anything for 'reasons'. Those very few, that do harvest game, do so at ranges under 200 yards. Nothing the 6.5 CM marketing is selling is needed to cover the prior 5 sentences. But the American public's need to fantasize about 'Enemy at the Gate Part II - Deer Season in the Kickapoo' seems to be making this a very popular round.

The stroke of genius was being able to get anyone who manufactured a rifle, from the $399 package special to the $3999 custom rifle, to chamber it in 6.5 CM. All it took was the gun rags to proclaim it a long distance death pill. Add in a few long range internet video kills on animals nobody should be using 143 gr 2630ish fps rounds on and we have threads like this.

It's a great round, that can be found in any store that carries ammo. It's very light on recoil. Responds well to suppressers. If I have a 'beef' with it, it's that the 143 gr factory load would be better served for the 200 yard and under crowd, if it was a 120-130 grain bullet traveling 150ish fps faster.

I have taken quite a few different species with it at nothing over 300 yards. It's 'ok', but it's not devastating by any means.

If I was a first time deer hunter, getting my first rifle, I'd probably choose one. Why not?

This is mostly fair. I can't speak to any of the enemy at the gates deer hunting, but most of the guys I know with them just want a rifle that can take deer within 400 and still hit the far gong at 1k.
My observation is that the more people try to drag it, the more the gun rags use it as an opportunity to troll, get attention (clicks) and influence- that's how you get John B Snow shooting eland, Tyler Freel shooting grizzlies and the Meat Eater guys shooting elk with them. Bonus: Spomer.
Want Creedmoor relegated down to what it should be? Just a "medium sized cartridge that's decent on medium game at medium ranges and respectable for target shooting out to 1k." If guys would simply stop trashing it (and it's shooters) every time it's mentioned it would just settle in as just another medium cartridge instead of inspiring people to prove that it can do things you claim it can't. But guys can't resist feeding the monster.

 

[h_1ag]

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? What am I missing? I'm agreeing at .270 has significantly more speed and power at close and medium ranges (it better- it burns way more powder, produces more recoil and requires a longer action- all reasons I previously mentioned that I don't even consider them to be in the same class).
Or have there been more factory .270 long range shelf offerings available that I don't know about?

 

[Weaver93]

I'm convinced there are few hobby groups more excited to push the next generation away than shooters. The amount of gatekeeping and grandstanding is truly incredible.

To be this annoyed about the next generation enjoying shooting, while at the same complaining about/worrying about the future of the 2a and gun ownership is impressive sometimes.

Here's how I see the 6.5cm bashing for a new guy. Guy decides to get into shooting/hunting, saves up some money and goes to Cabelas, Sportsmans, Scheels wherever and most of what he sees and is sold on are 6.5cm's. He buys one and is all excited, gets home and does an internet search to learn a little more about his new rifle only to find out he might as well shoot a sling shot at game and go buy skinny jeans and start drinking bud light and for pete's sake better not show up to a range with his new rifle unless he's wearing a pride shirt to go with it.

Edit to add - I don't have a 6.5cm, my 6.5 is a 6.5-06 and it's my son's rifle. I do have a 22cm but I don't think that one requires bud light and rainbows, lol

Here's how it should be approached. Everyone in this sport is going to give or receive crap at one time or another. We all do that to each other, constantly. If someone's feelings get hurt because someone made fun of their rifle, cartridge, bipod, scope, jeep, truck, hybrid Toyota, gay paint Raptor skinny jeans or manbun by the time they are capable to buy and enjoy firearms then they have lived a life too sheltered. They have far too many ****s to give and should have been outside wrecking a trail bike or replacing the differentials in their F250 instead of playing Final Fantasy or making TikTok videos dancing in Leopard onesies.

I will throw shade with the best of them, but if I want something, I'm getting it. It would be IMPOSSIBLE for me to care less what anyone thinks or says! I have never given too many ****s what anyone has thought of what I have done, said, bought or who I hang out with. Disclaimer: My dad may not have agreed every time. Have I missed a couple opportunities along the way because of a less than stellar attitude? Probably, but I don't have to spend a lot on Christmas cards or worry about too many people drinking my bourbon!

 

[bultinkle]

Which groups would that be? I haven't seen this in my area?

Which groups hate the new crowd as much as it feels like the shooting crowd does? Idk, it's hard. Skiers maybe, f1 enthusiasts are pretty self righteous about the new fans.

The creedmoor hate just feels like an older/experienced generation Infuriated that the young kids don't have to "work for it" instead of being thrilled that the shooting world and long range shooting is exploding in popularity during a time when we need to attract every dog gone gun owner we can.

I understand people want to say it's just fun and games but 21 year olds are the future of gun ownership in America. It doesn't matter if they wear skinny jeans or what they drink, it matters that they continue to own guns and enjoy them. As much as it's lost on this community the average gun owner wanted to get into any precision rifle style of shooting had 3 decent options and now they have 4. 22lr, 223 (6.5creed) and 308. That's it. The simple fact is 6.5 creed does everything 308 would do for them, and usually better. The gatekeeping about how they aren't good enough shooters to utilize the wind advantage is just dumb, and acting like they should buy a 270 or some custom wildcat and reload hard to find bullets because that's logistically useful is too.

They should buy a decent creed and a case of hornady match and go have fun. Hopefully stay off the internet while they are at it.

It's a good little cartridge that can play a solid multipurpose role and the straw man everyone has worked up about it being an elephant killer and shooting a hole through the moon is them yelling at clouds. It's not magic, and its shooters rarely claim it to be. It's haters constantly do.

 

[Darryle]

You mean he went to those stores and was sold one by a teenager that doesn't know the difference between free floated and headspace. The sales person convinced him it would take down the big 5 in Africa. If he does come home and google it I can promise you this forum will be at least 3 pages in if not more. WAY more Outdoor life and other magazines that they will reach before this. But if he does reach this first TIGHTEN your man bun before you head to the range

Sorry that you feel that way but we are having fun

Some of what I saw on the first page when I searched "6.5 Creedmoor"

 

[Barrelnut]

The creedmoor hate just feels like an older/experienced generation Infuriated that the young kids don't have to "work for it" instead of being thrilled that the shooting world and long range shooting is exploding in popularity during a time when we need to attract every dog gone gun owner we can.

Amen to that!

 

[Darryle]

This seems like a perfect opportunity to remind y'all, I have a 6.5 Creedmoor and there are no wild elephants in North Texas, js

 

[h_1ag]

Some of what I saw on the first page when I searched "6.5 Creedmoor"

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I'm disappointed I didn't see anything saying 6.5 Creedmoor is the best choice for rhino.

Image 1: "astounding accuracy"? Fair to say that that's a stretch- I'd like to see the source of that one. But that's also relative. Compared to 6PPC? Hardly. Compared to grandpa's .30-06 from 1957? Certainly.

Image 2: "effective range of 1100"- that's a military figure that's cited by SOCOM using the M110A3. Their listed effective range for .308 is also questionable from a hunter's perspective.

Image 3: I'd definitely take issue with the text above saying "why best" because that's just an ignorant way to describe pretty much anything. The text below seems pretty basic and factually accurate- what's incorrect about them having "long, efficient bullets?" Is a 140 class bullet in 6.5mm no longer long and efficient?

Image 4: Link to a video. I'm assuming the guy actually pulled off the shot. So what, though? NV desert rat shot a .300BLK sub a mile. I'm sure you can find videos of WinMags and all kinds of other chamberings from similar search results. That video populated because it had lots of clicks, not because 6.5 Creedmoor is the most ideal cartridge for shooting a mile.

It's also possible that your browser's cookies, etc. are pulling in specific results based on your internet browning history that likely reflects long range shooting and that could be impacting what populates here.
And even if you're using incognito mode or a vpn, it's likely that people associate 6.5CM with long range shooting because that's what it's linked to- whether or not it can exceed .338Lapua doesn't matter to Google. A huge percentage of articles and videos have associated it with long range shooting for years, which is no surprise, since that's exactly what DeMille and Emary created it to do and what Hornady did a good job of marketing it for. 6.5 Creedmoor has earned a reputation as a long range cartridge.

 

[Darryle]

It's also possible that your browser's cookies, etc. are pulling in specific results based on your internet browning history that likely reflects long range shooting and that could be impacting what populates here.

I have my browser blocked by a VPN and it doesn't keep my browser history, hard dump everytime I close my browser, which sounds great until you forget to flag a page that you want to read later and you go down a dark rabbit hole in search of it. I started using my reading lists to temporarily save the page until I can read it and once I have, it gets dumped with the next logoff.

It also makes certain sites almost impossible to interact with if they need cookies, pop ups or Java to operate properly. I have to access those on my tablet using Linux and that creates a new set of struggles.