6.5 Creedmor- the Holy Grail?

[Deleted member 103481]

My numbers came straight from Wikipedia...?
It said nothing at all about handloads!
I inflated Nothing!!

Ah It's a misprint. It references accurate load guide 3.5 for 200 partition @3029 but the guide actually states 200 partition @2779.

Here lies the Wikipedia problem.

 

[djm670]

Ah It's a misprint. It references accurate load guide 3.5 for 200 partition @3029 but the guide actually states 200 partition @2779.

Here lies the Wikipedia problem.

Yes but the gal who solicites funds for Wikipedia is a cutie!

 

[Troutslayer2]

Watched my buddy shoot one with a 180 grain Barnes in 300WM this year. He nailed it form less than 100 yds. We followed that cow 8 miles and it lost what seemed like 2 gallons of blood. Finally ran it onto private property but that cow never even fell behind the herd. They are resilient animals. I lost one once in a similar scenario. In his case I think his bullet penciled right through, double lunged it but didn't get any expansion. I have too little free time, too few elk encounters, and too much respect for them to be out there trying to take them with a tiny little projectile.

I suspect many of the 6.5 supporters would change their tune if they had to DIY public land in any western state.

 

[IdahoMatchGrade]

you've got to be a special kind of stupid and arrogant (or really naive) to hunt elk at range with a 6.5 CM. sure, shot placement is critical but come on!! Get a good 30 or 33, shoot/practice A LOT and harvest humanely. I love both my 338WM and 300WM for elk

 

[MudRunner2005]

Hornady was advertising that the 6.5 cm was superior to the 300wm.
That started an entire culture of missinformation

Thanks for that. I have heard it from people, but no idea it was Hornady perpetuating the lie. But sadly, I'm the one who catches crap from everyone for pointing out bullsh!t blatant lies in marketing hype... And folks claim "it's not hype"... Really?

 

[Tex_Hunter]

He nailed it form less than 100 yds. We followed that cow 8 miles and it lost what seemed like 2 gallons of blood. Finally ran it onto private property but that cow never even fell behind the herd.

I know we are at the point of just beating the dead horse (dead elk?)... but if the thing actually ran 8+ miles and never fell behind the herd, your friend didn't hit the thing as well as he thought he did.

 

[Bullseye]

Thanks for that. I have heard it from people, but no idea it was Hornady perpetuating the lie. But sadly, I'm the one who catches crap from everyone for pointing out bullsh!t blatant lies in marketing hype... And folks claim "it's not hype"... Really?

and you're perpetuating what lowdowndirtybugger said about it - yet where are these Hornady advertisements? Again, please be specific. If we're lying, where is it?

 

[MudRunner2005]

Shorter? No. Is it BS Hype to make a 300 Magnum cartridge that can have SAAMI spec factory ammo with 225gr+ projectiles? Nobody is saying you can't handload your Win Mag and do whatever you want. Why not also have a cartridge that is spec'd for the fun bullets people want to use for LR and not HAVE to make a custom rig or have to contend with a short, sloppy .315" throat like what's in a Win mag? Is that hype?

I don't even like the .300WM, despite owning one. Mine is not custom, it's a factory R700 5R Milspec 300WM. I can seat 210 and 215 Hybrids inside of mag length of a 700 and still be within 0.015" off the lands with minimal overhang into the case. So, tell me again, how the .300 PRC is relevant? It's not. I could honestly give 2 sh!ts about either one. It's just the fact that Hornady is reheating ballistic leftovers and claiming they're "new and revolutionary". When they're very obviously not.

How is the throat "short and sloppy"? There's a lot of folks out there that might argue with that comment. I personally don't care enough to argue, because I could care less about the .300WM, I'm just curious to know your logic behind that comment.

 

[MudRunner2005]

The CM popularity can just as easily be chalked up to Remington developing a good cartridge and then inserting their brain into their rear and ruining it. If they had half a marketing team or logistics team everyone would have been shooting them for years.

By the time the CM came out with good factory ammo and decent twist rates the Internet was booming and all people had to do was look up a YouTube video. Had Rem done it right that video would have said 260. Instead it said CM.

Can't argue with you on that one... Especially considering the .260 Rem came out 10 years prior to, and was dead (by Remington) several years before the 6.5CM was even developed in 2007.

 

[Troutslayer2]

I know we are at the point of just beating the dead horse (dead elk?)... but if the thing actually ran 8+ miles and never fell behind the herd, your friend didn't hit the thing as well as he thought he did.

Well it happened right in front of me and I walked those 8 miles with him seeing small bits of blood spray every 10 feet in the snow from one side of it, and blood/saliva dripping from its mouth the whole time. I guided some elk hunting, and have shot many- I have seen a lot of elk die and not a whole lot of these fantasy bang/flops that are described regularly around here. The "every elk I shoot with my .223 is DRT" attitude that some around here have is straight up laughable. I've seen them go a long ways MISSING a good chunk of their HEART. Must have been poor shot placement?

 

[MudRunner2005]

and you're perpetuating what lowdowndirtybugger said about it - yet where are these Hornady advertisements? Again, please be specific. If we're lying, where is it?

Don't be an idiot... Use reading comprehension. I stated that I had no idea it was from Hornady until NOW, but I had heard it for years from random people. You're looking for a win so hard, that you're allowing your retorts to get sloppy.

 

[Bullseye]

I don't even like the .300WM, despite owning one. Mine is not custom, it's a factory R700 5R Milspec 300WM. I can seat 210 and 215 Hybrids inside of mag length of a 700 and still be within 0.015" off the lands with minimal overhang into the case. So, tell me again, how the .300 PRC is relevant? It's not. I could honestly give 2 sh!ts about either one. It's just the fact that Hornady is reheating ballistic leftovers and claiming they're "new and revolutionary". When they're very obviously not.

How is the throat "short and sloppy"? There's a lot of folks out there that might argue with that comment. I personally don't care enough to argue, because I could care less about the .300WM, I'm just curious to know your logic behind that comment.

Part of the point is that you don't HAVE to hand load. You can buy factory ammo and have fun past a mile without breaking the bank. While you can hand load a Win Mag to whatever you want, factory ammo, at least if you are loading to SAAMI specs, is a limitation. Max COL of 3.340" and a case of 2.620" means shoving bullets deep in the case. Not ideal. Factory ammo NOT loaded to SAAMI spec is a scary proposition.

The 300 PRC is best summed up here:

 

[rjtaylor]

If you had a choice to use a small caliber 6.5 that you were proficient with or a magnum that you were less proficient with which would you choose? I'm somewhat recoil sensitive and find myself flinching when shooting the bigger caliber cartridges. On the other hand I feel super confident I can put it where I want it with the smaller calibers. I feel if I use the right bullet and keep my distance as short as possible I'll take my 6.5. In a perfect world I'd be less of a sissy and could shoot the big boys without flinching.

 

[MudRunner2005]

I get the appeal that Hornady is going for, and it's very smart. But coming from someone who thinks all factory ammo sucks, all factory bullet selections are terrible, all factory ammo is lacking in performance, and doesn't use any (other than rimfires) for any of his guns, I think there is better out there, and I see the reality of what Hornady is doing. They're trying to come up with something fancy and new that they can whore-out for hundreds of millions of dollars. The fact is, they're just reinventing the wheel. The 6.5CM was a reinvention of the .260 Remington. The 6.5 PRC was a reinvention of a wildcat, called the 6.5 SAUM. The .300 PRC was a reinvention of a wildcat called the .30-375 Ruger. They're just turning wildcats into SAAMI spec cartridges, but giving them fancy names so folks won't realize what they are doing. At least Nosler had the balls to call it what it was... The .280 Ackley Improved. Same thing it's always been called.