6.5 Creedmoor or 25-06 for Deer

[Michael O'Connor]

I know with my 257 weatherby at 500 yards and no wind I hold the 3rd crosshair on the heart and squeeze the trigger deer drop in sight

I am sure that is okay, but if you stand out at 880 yards in a stiff wind with a 25-06, you will be hit at the same distance more times with a 6.5 Creedmoor than you can hit a likewise target. Just saying. The best is good enough, don't ever fight math and physics. That would be like voting for Hillary Clinton and Obama. They are at least going to prison. They gonna hang that boy for treason and Killary too.

 

[Michael O'Connor]

Rebated boat tails do not work well. Tried them.

Steve

If I was you, I wouldn't use them then.

 

[Michael O'Connor]

I've concluded the rebated boat tail bullet design provides no BC, or accuracy/precision advantage. Those benefits are imaginary - unreal.

There are some of us that enjoy longer barrel life with 21st Century cartridge cases and rebated boat tails. We call that modern day science and engineering.

 

[Michael O'Connor]

I would just forget the 25-06 and the the 6.5 CM. Make it a 6.5 PRC and all of arguments above become a mute point. The 6.5 PRC is gonna be popular.

I am sure you are right, if RWS, Lapua or at least Norma makes cartridge cases for it; Hornady cases suck. Just my opinion, I would rather use a case more than 3 or 4 times.

 

[257Tony]

To put it honestly and in layman's terms... It's Hornady's ripoff of the 6.5 SAUM.

As to are they out-shooting anything? No, Hornady just has a hell of a marketing department, along with the fact that none of these new shooters out there know what the cartridges are that Hornady keeps ripping off and calling their own. Makes you wonder what's next? They going to ripoff the .30-06 and call it something fancy?

Just like the people who jumped on and bought into the 6.5 GAP 4s bandwagon and it's nothing more than a 6.5 SAUM with different throat dimensions.

There's 20 different ways this cat has already been skinned over the years, but because Hornady has a knack for ripping things off, slightly changing them, churching things up, give them a fancy recognizable name, they could sell a bag of ice to an eskimo...

I'm not hating on Hornady. I'm more or less frustrated with how dumb society is to buy into these trends.

The benefit to this is having a great supply of factory ammo, and brass. Big deal for most guys. I wish Nosler world take a page from Hornadys book so we don't have to pay $3 each for brass.

 

[Michael O'Connor]

A reduction in BC value for possibly longer barrel life. I don't shoot enough to wear out barrels. Barrel life will be more affected by other factors, IMO.

My question is, who's spent the time to document improved bore life by wearing out multiple barrels with a rebated boat tail bullet, and then with a standard boat tail? Can you provide reference material to support longer barrel life? There are a lot of variables that affect barrel life, and I expect rebated boat tail design is near the bottom of the list of affecting factors. Is this based on your own experience, or some formal scientific studies that you can provide references to???

Well, just have a conversation with Brian Litz or others that not only design cases; but bullets, too.

 

[Michael O'Connor]

The rebated boat tail would give better barrel life as it spreads a flame against a common force instead of an angular burn. The rebated boat tail is the saving of barrels between a common boat tail bullet and a flat bullet.

A 1.15/1 neck length to bullet diameter saves from throat erosion too, and also gives accuracy in most rifles if there isn't great concentricity in the chamber.

 

[Pdvdh]

There are some of us that enjoy longer barrel life with 21st Century cartridge cases and rebated boat tails. We call that modern day science and engineering.

In other words, you have no supportive references.

Why not just state that, instead of the lame effort at - I'm both cleverer and prettier than you.

 

[Michael O'Connor]

What is the dif. between say a Hornady 30 cal. 178gr BT and a 178gr rebated BT ? What design difference is there ? I haven't left the house for a couple of days and haven't heard of a rebated boat tail. Thanks in advance. Anything that would extend barrel life without taking away from accuracy would be welcomed. Thanks again.

308 bullets aren't typically barrel burners in anything but overbore Magnums. I don't think you have ever heard of a 308 Win. that can't cycle 3500 rounds with uneroded accuracy.

 

[MudRunner2005]

The benefit to this is having a great supply of factory ammo, and brass. Big deal for most guys. I wish Nosler world take a page from Hornadys book so we don't have to pay $3 each for brass.

That was one of the only reasons the 6.5CM become so popular. And I feel that's the only reason the 6.5 PRC will become the CreedWhore 2.0.

As someone who reloads everything except rimfires and shotguns, factory ammo quality and availability doesn't mean anything to me, but for those who don't, I understand it being a huge selling point. I was once one of those who didn't reload, so back in the day, had there been high quality factory ammo for many cartridges, they might not have been axed...Prime example, the .260 Rem and the 7mm STW. There just wasn't really any high-quality ammo out there, unless you loaded it yourself. I've been shooting the STW since 2002, and back then, you pretty much had 1 bullet option (soft point) in a couple different weights (140 & 160) and about 3 (at most) ammo company brands... Then Federal started loading 160 Accubonds, and that was a huge step in the right direction. Next thing I know, those got axed, too. Then I had no other option but to start reloading, and discovered Berger, and haven't looked back since.

I also agree, as someone who uses Nosler brass, I wish their prices would drop some. Even Lapua is not as expensive as Nosler brass.

 

[MudRunner2005]

A 1.15/1 neck length to bullet diameter saves from throat erosion too, and also gives accuracy in most rifles if there isn't great concentricity in the chamber.

Actually, it's been proven that in modern cartridges, the longer neck doesn't do crap...

https://www.longrangehunting.com/th...fit-of-having-a-long-necked-cartridge.196331/

As a matter of fact, you'll get better results and better throat life from just swapping to a slower-burning powder.

 

[Michael O'Connor]

In other words, you have no supportive references.

Why not just state that, instead of the lame effort at - I'm both cleverer and prettier than you.

Read about "Applied Ballistics", then you might get the big picture. And for God's sake, quit voting for Liberal Socialist Moonbeams.

 

[Michael O'Connor]

Actually, it's been proven that in modern cartridges, the longer neck doesn't do crap...

https://www.longrangehunting.com/th...fit-of-having-a-long-necked-cartridge.196331/

As a matter of fact, you'll get better results and better throat life from just swapping to a slower-burning powder.

I am sure you are right, unless YOU ARE WRONG. I guess that is why a 6.5 GAP 4S has a longer barrel life than a 6.5 × 284 Norma.

 

[Pdvdh]

Read about "Applied Ballistics", then you might get the big picture. And for God's sake, quit voting for Liberal Socialist Moonbeams.

You're breaking up... push the reset button...

Which brings us straight back to: In other words, you have no supportive references. But now you're really really certain you're both cleverer and prettier than me.