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6.5 creedmoor, 7mm/08, 270 winchester compairson.

I see these type of comparisons all the time and they are usually heavily biased and flawed. And they just get so repetitive. His video is pretty good. I like how he considered 60fps or 25 lbs of energy a wash. It is. But here's a couple important observations.

Whenever someone starts or ends their post with something like "I've been shooting my (insert caliber) for 30 years..." or "No thanks, I'll keep my (insert caliber)" the reader/ poster probably is not objective in their opinion or decision making. Sales of calibers developed from modern design and technology are not aimed at you. No one is going to change your mind. I built my house, not like my grandfather did, but by using the latest materials, technology, and building practices and enjoy the benefits that brings. Everyone is free to make their own decisions.

It's interesting that much of the post video discussion was about MV. Only one poster mentioned the recoil comparison, which was an important aspect of the comparison. It affects most people's ability to shoot accurately and everyone's ability to see their own impacts. Those both matter to me when I hunt. If you are one that believes recoil is not a consideration, then why is 270 the representative LA? Why not the 7RM or 7RUM? See, it gets silly after a bit. But having one cartridge in the mix that has nearly 50% more recoil than another, kind of isn't fair.

Nothing is said about bullet selection or quality factory ammo selection. I think that would not favor the 270 (both) or the 7-08 (factory ammo). That's an important aspect. If you're going to compare performance at 400-600 yards, the difference between ammo that will shoot >1MOA vs 2MOA or worse, becomes a big deal. And not everyone reloads or wants to. Also, several posts mention comparisons of heavy-for-caliber bullets in 270's or 7-08's, as well as 6.5CM. That brings up another missing but important aspect of this comparison, barrel twist. As far as I know, most common, factory rifles in 270 and (I'm less sure about 7-08) are not made with fast twist rates designed for the heavy-for-caliber pills. Nearly every 6.5CM will be a 1:8 twist, designed to shoot the long, heavy, high BC and SD bullets that the video speaks of.

Finally, the video simply stated "Short Action is better than Long action" and gave no explanation. I generally agree, but feel that it is much more subjective and it depends greatly on the rifle's purpose and way it's used. I'm surprised that statement wasn't beat to death in subsequent posts. But if one is going to make such a blanket statement, then why in the heck are you comparing 2 SA's vs a LA? Why didn't he pick a 6.5x284 or 26 Nosler or a 270WSM or...? He failed to state the premise for picking the cartridges he compared. I assume it was limited to "common" calibers. But even that classification is subjective.

+1 on everything. And especially the LA vs SA statement. The SA is more compact to work with, but my BAR ejects a 270 shell just as well as anyone's AR ejects a 223. And in cycling a bolt during hunting for a 2nd shot, I don't think the difference matters either. Like another poster said, pick one you like and have fun!
 
I hear that 4350 is hard to find but it's really just a matter of wanting to pay less than $30/lb. I recently got an 8 lb jug for $192. It's a good practice to pick up various powders when you see them so that when there are doughts like a few years back or something becomes "the thing", you already have plenty to keep you going, or good substitutes. Heck, I just last year broke into some H1000 I bought before the drought set in..what's that 4 or 5 years ago now? Same with primers...remember a couple of years ago?

Anyway, I've got some Superperformance I picked up shortly after it came onto the market which I've never tried in anything because H warned not to use it on ANYTHING in ANY combination other than what they published. So those lbs just sat there. Now I'm interested in finding out what I'll do in the 6.5 too.
The Hornady 10th edition manual has loads for it as well as some sites on the web.
 
the 270 wcf made its reputation with a 130 gn bullet moving 3160, a 708 will push a 120 bt bullet 3100 plus. give them all 24 inch bbl.'s the 270 still wins. the 270 will also push a 140 bullet 2900 plus. its still not a fare comparison pitting two short actions against one long action for Weight come on ! I call foul again........... when numbers are fudged its not apples to apples. of the three rounds I own a semi-custom 708 and a factory semi-custom 270 wcf. no need for the 6.5 cm. A better test would be 708vs6.5cm, there they are so close it aint funny. no i'll stick to the two I own,havent drank the 6.5 cool-aid , no plans too.
 
I am surprised how close the 6.5 cm comes to the 270Win. I love my 270 but don't load it very hot. 130s @2900 out of a Browning Automatic but I can push harder if I want. The higher BCs of the 6.5 bullets and the want of a long range but light recoiling bolt made me jump into the CM pool. Off the shelf, 22" sporter, it's a tack driver. It falls between a 243 & 270. All fun rounds.
 
Then everyone should be chootin a 338/378.
It's not that the 270 or 7-08 aren't great rounds . Some guys will prefer them.
I was after a (winter) cart and rifle when I picked the 6.5 Creedmoor.
I use 144 gr Lapua FMJBT for called in predators and 130 he Sirocco or 130 TSX for caribou.
For my use I have the single best cart of the 3. I don't blow the heck out of a nice pelt and fill the freezer with meat.
If I needed my rifle to do other jobs it would work great for those as well.
 
Unless someone is going to pressure test loads the only fair way is to use the max book load of the powder bullet combo of choice. Most all the loads people are shooting based on brass condition that are past listed max are over pressure. Point being pressures would have to be even or at the listed maxs by SAAMI. Also coal has to be considered as it effects powder volume. So keep it saami chamber using saami coal and then use the max listed charge on the offical powder book. Just alot more work when you really want a scienfic apples to apples comparison. If your going to use case condition and bolt lift as guides then its a crap shoot.
 
Guys, The reason I posted the video was to help people chose a rifle in the 6.5 CM,7/08 category. There ii almost no difference in the two, so it becomes a matter of choice.

One can't really do a fare comparison unless they use the same bullet weight, and the same barrel length. Changing the bullet diameter will/does effect the numbers so even this is not really an apples to apples comparison, but it was/is close.

I think the 270 was throne in to show the relationship and to position the two cartridges. Using printed loads and pressures with velocities for reference is the closets methods for a comparison. Using re loaders on this site, the numbers will vary all over the place because of the many differences we have As Tim Said.

There are pluses and minis to both cartridges so again it simply becomes an individual choice. both cartridges can be very accurate
so accuracy is not a deciding factor in my opinion.

One will not replace the other, they are to close.

Just my opinion

J E CUSTOM
 
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