been there myselfOk so broke out all of my stuff, I can fit the suggested amount of 4831. Was my bad, I honestly don't remember now been so many years since then. Haven't done much in past 15 years as far as shooting goes. I will agree, something was WAY off. Thanks for the replies. Gonna stick with 4831 as that's what my gun shoots as well. I remember having to use a drop tube to get all the powder in the case. Now that I made myself look like an ***