Traditional wood stocks and Modern Chassis

I have had McMillan, Have a few manners and have a HNT26. The McMillan and Manners are carbon fiber shells and are flat out heavier than the HNT26. If you want weight savings, there are several 20 oz. stocks out there. If you truly want lightweight carbon, you may want to steer clear of the manners and mcMillan. Great stocks, but not the lightest. I recently had a run in with a member at the range and he was showing me his new build. He showed me his manners stock, knowing I have several and asked if he should send it in for repair...the seam at the cheek portion of the buttstock was broken and pushed in. He has no idea how it happened other than being pulled in and out of his gun safe. I'm thinking they're running foam in their buttstocks like MDT to save weight. Just something to keep in mind....lighter may mean potentially more fragile. I had never seen or heard of it until last Friday.

liber said:

Unfortunately the club President told me I can't shoot them as we're inside state park land...not a bad range, 100 and 200 yard birms and a pistol range. (see below) I did ask him if that was the case, why is there some racks to dress them out on??? It's owned by the Sheriff. $50/year w/RFID access. Open from sunrise to 30 minutes after sunset.

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I don't know how one can be quiet as a church mouse all deer season and not see a deer, but go to the range when the firing line is busy, and they just wander out and feed like nothings happening, and stand in front of or behind targets...like a big old middle finger. Still deer season, but it's like they know you're not allowed to shoot them on the range. I can't count the number of times I've had to cease firing because of deer crossing the firing line during deer season.

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I don't know how one can be quiet as a church mouse all deer season and not see a deer, but go to the range when the firing line is busy, and they just wander out and feed like nothings happening, and stand in front of or behind targets...like a big old middle finger. Still deer season, but it's like they know you're not allowed to shoot them on the range. I can't count the number of times I've had to cease firing because of deer crossing the firing line during deer season.

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Funny thing is I have a ton of deer at my property, they bed down where I'm building a home/shop, some are pretty nice ones! But I can't shoot them, inside city limits around the lake.

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He has no idea how it happened other than being pulled in and out of his gun safe.

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And something heavy was placed on it in either a soft case or out of the case. If he didn't do that, someone else around him did. That must take quite a bit of force to do that.

Well, I've pulled the trigger on a stock and wasn't what I had been planning to do.

I was worried about 6.5 PRC in Remington bottom metal on the older walnut stocks, cause I do like wood, but not sure exactly what to look for and/or if magnum mags were made for ADL/BDL rifles or not. When I posted this thread I was pretty set on waiting to buy an MDT HNT26, but in the end I decided on a more traditional carbon stock, and thought I was going to buy a Manners or McMillan, both of which I like.

I decided to pull the trigger on this stock from the classifieds, the action and barrel that were taken out of it shoot about .3 MOA in the HNT26, but don't think any were shot in this stock.

That said, I won't be able to see the stock for some time as it was shipped to PTG who is putting a blueprinted barreled action and the lead time is 1-12 weeks, I only ordered it a week ago, so I could be waiting up to 3 months. That is not uncommon these days, I just saw the AG Composite stocks are 10-12 weeks, or 12-14 weeks for an adjustable stock. I know I'm waiting on an action, but this is the world we live in.

If it turns out I want to get a Manners or McMillan, or even an HNT26 later, I can do that, but this rifle is kind of on a budget...


This is the barreled action that is going in it.

@kgarrett

I didn't want to crap up the 6.5 PRC / 7SAUM thread, so will post here.

In the Rogue manual, on page 4 it states:


But like you said, you have the Canadian rifle and it's not clear if the stocks are exactly the same. It seems to me that they make the same stock for the Rogue, Rage and Rival.

"LOADING THE MAGAZINE
First place the safety selector in the "ON" or "SAFE" position. The internal magazine is
accessed by opening the bolt and pulling back to furthest rear position. Press the cartridge
(facing forward toward the barrel) in a downward position until it is secured in the magazine.
Place next cartridge on top the current loaded cartridge. Press down until secured by the
feed lips of the magazine. Use downward pressure and some finesse to move the cartridge
into the next open area in magazine. down below the bolt face and slowly slide the bolt
forward on top of all cartridges in the magazine. Each cartridge will be slightly offset and
not stacked directly on top of each other. When the magazine is at full capacity, press the top
cartridge down below the bolt face and slowly slide the bolt forward on top of all cartridges in
the magazine.

WARNING: DO NOT ALLOW BOLT TO PUSH CARTRIDGE INTO THE CHAMBER.
• MAGNUM CARTRIDGES - 3 TOTAL IN MAGAZINE - DO NOT EXCEED THESE CAPACITIES.
DUE TO VARIATIONS IN DIAMETERS OF VARIOUS BRANDS OF CARTRIDGES, IT MAY BE POSSIBLE TO FORCE AN
ADDITIONAL CARTRIDGE INTO THE MAGAZINE. DOING SO MAY DAMAGE YOUR MAGAZINE AND LEAD TO ELEVATED
MALFUNCTION RATES.
CAUTION: KEEP YOUR MAGAZINE CLEAN AND DRY. NEVER FORCE OR POUND THE CARTRIDGE
INTO THE MAGAZINE. ENSURE THAT THE FLOOR PLATE IS SECURED IN THE CLOSED POSITION.

LOADING THE CHAMBER
The action is opened by first raising the bolt handle and then pulling the bolt back. As the
bolt is pushed forward, the cartridge is fed into the chamber, and by rotating the handle
downward the action is closed and the rifle is now cocked and ready to fire."

And interesting that the Rogue and Rival both have this warning in it, but the Rage doesn't.

In the ad from the seller, it says it's a Rogue stock, so I may be limited to 3 + 1 in the chamber. I'd hate to destroy a $140 magazine. Some of the Fierce vendors sell them for $190.

@kgarrett

Yeah, it's not in the Edge/Fury manual either, so all Fierce mags are not made equal.


This is what the stock looks like. My action is going to have a rail for the scope, and a steel barrel. Hopefully mine's not too heavy, it will have a 4"
shorter barrel (20").



Now I need to wait up to 11 more weeks. I won't be able to see it until I pick it up. The site I found this pic on stated that it has a 3+1 mag, so that is in fact what I get unless I want to add M5.

I'm sure you're right about your rifle being 3+1. I will double check mine when I get home, but you are correct, my rifle was from the initial run when they were still manufacturing in Quebec before moving to Utah.

Just looked at the thread for the stock - looks nice!

I also like the action you went with, will have to let us know how you like it - I assume it's the same as on the Weatherby 307 Alpine CT.

What did you choose for a barrel?

kgarrett said:

Just looked at the thread for the stock - looks nice!

I also like the action you went with, will have to let us know how you like it - I assume it's the same as on the Weatherby 307 Alpine CT.

What did you choose for a barrel?

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Not exactly. I will try to explain it. It may be as good as a Weatherby 307 Alpine, that I don't know.

Originally Weatherby didn't offer a short action magnum in the Builder's Action. They sell those for $750. I suspect because the Weatherby 6.5 RPM is a rebated rim and uses the standard bolt face, so they basically didn't off the magnum in the short action. I also have an AICS chassis, and it's for a short action...this is king of how I ended up with 6.5 PRC, otherwise today it would be a long action 7mm. I could have done that on the Weahterby Builder's Action originally, but had the short action chassis.

What I'm getting is the Weatherby action, but PTG is blueprinting a Stiller style bolt and barrel onto the receiver, which I guess they get from Weatherby. I suspect when you buy an Alpine CT that Weatherby pretty much gives you a blueprinted action, that's just the quality of work they normally do. Mine will not have the toolless firing pin. During the sale, PTG was offering a blueprinted action without the barrel for $500, but those have gone up to about $650 now, and you need to call on the barreled action like I got as when you put it in your cart it marks them backordered. Still says $750, which includes a blueprinted barreled action of your choice, I went with a short 20" with the hopes I can use a suppressor on it, and will use a muzzle brake until then.

PTG also includes a fluted Stiller style bolt, a 0 MOA (I could have gotten 20) rail, knob, recoil lug, even a trigger, et al, but I don't know what taper the barrel is, I'm pretty sure the Fierce stock will fit it. The whole v-bed is carbon on the Fierce stock. Still a number of unknowns...

This is the page:

. Here are my thoughts based on your criteria:

1. Weight Consideration:
   The MDT HNT26 is definitely a great choice for weight savings. At around 2.6 lbs, it's among the lightest, high-performance chassis systems out there. If weight is a major concern (especially for backpacking), it's hard to beat. But it's more tactical/modern, and you mentioned wanting a traditional bolt action feel, which leads to the next point.
2. Traditional Wood or Modern Carbon:
   There's something timeless about wood stocks. You can get classic lines and handling, but they can be heavier—typically in the 2.5-3 lb range for a quality stock. Walnut, especially, adds some weight. If you're after a more traditional bolt-action rifle with that classic look, you might lean toward a walnut stock, even if it's a bit heavier. That said, Macmillan's carbon fiber stocks (at around 1 lb) offer modern materials in a traditional stock shape and feel. They balance weight and aesthetics, and the price on eBay at $500-$600 is a solid deal.
3. Chassis vs. Traditional Stock:
   If you've already got an AICS chassis (5.5 lbs stripped), you could use that for now, but it's not ideal for backpacking. I think you're on the right track with the plan to upgrade to something like a Macmillan carbon stock later on, as it combines both durability and lighter weight, while maintaining that more traditional feel.
4. The Remington 700 Walnut Stock:
   Older Remington 700 walnut stocks from the 80s typically weigh around 2.5–3 lbs, depending on the specific model and finish. Not too bad for a traditional rifle, but compared to a modern carbon stock, it will be noticeably heavier.
5. Backpacking and Packing Game:
   If you plan to carry this rifle for long distances in the backcountry, weight savings are key. You might find yourself gravitating toward the lightweight chassis options after a few tough hikes. However, if the classic look and feel are truly what you're after, a Macmillan carbon fiber stock or good walnut stock with a camo finish could strike the perfect balance.
6. Final Thoughts:
   I'd say use your current chassis (the AICS) for now, especially if you're planning on testing out your setup. Once you've decided how much weight you're comfortable carrying, look for a used Macmillan carbon stock. It offers the best of both worlds—lighter than wood, but with a more traditional feel than a full tactical chassis. Plus, if you do some camo work on it, you'll get the best of both aesthetics and functionality.