I think threads like this bring out more negatives than positives, unfortunately. But it sure sucks reading these negatives... I have a CT Rage 7mm PRC that's very accurate and very reliable. The CT Rival 22CM is a new addition and haven't made it to the range with it yet...
Fierce rifles?
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Tikkamike
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I have two fierce CT Rogue rifles and both shoot exceptionally well.
Hikinghunter
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same issue with mine - hated factory ammo. Have you found the lands? Turned out the lands were so far forward it just wouldn't shoot anything unless I seated or way out. If your's has the same problem, might be an indication it's time to get those dies.
I agree. I have a Fury in 6.5 x 284 and it shoots lights out with the reloads. I have never tried factory ammo in it. The deer and antelope in Montana hate it as do the plains game in South Africa. It seems every time it goes boom one of their brethren die. There are good and bad in all makes and models. Sometimes you get the peanut and sometimes you get the shell.
Hikinghunter
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And yet, you don't see all that many of them in the PX. I like mine, and trust it now that I know what I'm working with. Other folks must like theirs as well.
Nobody has answered my question yet. Do any of these higher-end retail rifle shops out there (Christiansen, Sako, Proof, whatever) really take the same amount of time and care in assembly that someone would spend on their own build? I don't have any of those other high-end guns, so it's a genuine question.
Engineering and parts quality aside- Seems like Fierce has the same challenge other factories have. If you want to make any profit, you need mid-level gunsmiths assembling rifles with a moderate amount of speed. Assembling a gun to spec is pretty quick, but it's not a particularly high bar, so you'll get some lemons. Does Sako, Proof, etc really have that much better of a process, and never has rifles sent back?
My assumption is that a custom build is just going to be better than anything else, both because you can set your own tolerances, and because you can "feel" things out as you go. if you know how and have the time to do it. But then, maybe Sako, Proof, etc owners would disagree.
The question may not be "is fierce any good" maybe instead it's "are $3-4K rifles assembled in a factory a passing fad?
marksman1941
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To answer your question, high end production rifles will never touch quality custom smithing. They just won't. They are also not a passing fad, since folks keep buying them. Some companies, like seekins, have figured out how to assembly line a quality high end gun for a reasonable (comparatively) price. Christensen and Fierce have not figured that out, and at this rate I'm not sure they are going to. But they have a cool factor to them that helps them sell, and folks will still buy in hopes they get a good one.
I really don't get it. I can have a full custom with cut rifle barrel made by one of the top smiths in the business, and it doesn't cost what Fierce and the like are charging for their crappy production rifles. I cannot for the life of me understand people paying 5 grand for a low volume, low development production rifle that if they have problems with it, will likely never get fixed right. If you are going to buy a high end production stick to Mauser, Blaser, Steyer Sako, even Rigby etc that have decades of experience producing high quality firearms.
KS Arms Edmonton. Prices in Cdn, so .73 x the price to get U.S. One of their cut rifle, hand lapped barrels 595, their cnc built action 1600, Mcmillan stock 700 U.S. so $1000 Cdn, bottom metal trigger etc 500, smith time to chamber, bed and assemble 800. So all in $4,500 cdn or $3,285 U.S.
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singlejacker
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Trm82
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I love my Rival after being fixed but I have nothing good to say for Fierce
I know there's good ones but 4 in a row for me is too much so I will trash fierce any chance I get. That QC is absolutely not acceptable and I will do whatever I can to have someone not buy one and hopefully not make the mistakes I did and spend they're hard earned money on mediocre Rifles.
I have not messed with it as he has not showed any interest in trying to make it shoot better yet. I'm sure in the next few weeks he'll be wanting me to work something up since whitetail rifle starts nov 23rd here in OK.
mrultramag
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I bought a Fury in 300 rum in 2016. It would shoot the barnes 180 ttsx ammo 1/2 moa. I couldn't get it to love the 200 gr accubond. The CF stock stud pulled out. Fierce replaced stock. Since then I fould a good load hammer bullets. Rifle is pretty decent.
Brother Tony, I am glad you clarified that because you are one. I was wondering why you are looking at Fierce. You thumbed through six pages, though.
Get well, and stay well!
MagnumManiac
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I was looking for easy, but realised I will only get what I want if I build, but time is running out for next year and my Dad's 80th birthday hunt in New Zealand.
You stay safe and healthy too Ed.
Cheers.
Own a rival. Shoots factory. 5 moa. It is a picky rifle though. In this category I defer to seekins. Overall no complaints, it works.
