Effect of Suppressor on Hand Loads

Len Backus said:

Bowfisher

Settle down...

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Lead gas in u'r face w/traditional cans.not healthy. New LBP cans are amazingly quiet. As quiet as traditional baffle stack any day. PTR(vent1/308) & silencerco (556)velosI have experienced. The impact point was less than 2" ,308 & 1" velos. CAT cans have same reported results. All more $ but stupid not to use on gas gun. My hearing health & gasses in lungs is more important. As for shift , it's as much for hand load as factory loads. Cleaning that hard on gas gun is for birds.

Chranah said:

I'm in the same boat. I always buy local if I can. I'm next door to you and will hopefully find a Made in Idaho manufacturer when I seriously begin looking.

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Look at jk armament, I've got 5 of Jake's suppressors and love them. From .22 lr up to 300 prc, only one has a quick detach the rest are direct thread .

HUXWRX for your gas gun.

Others have covered you pretty well so I'll give you my experience because I was in a similar spot this year. Knew I wanted to shoot my bolt guns and ARs suppressed

I shot my fathers TBAC p223 (comparable to ultra 7) on my AR and after one shot, it gave me instant tears from the gas and I knew this couldn't be the way. My ARs do not have adjustable gas blocks

Bought a TBAC Ultra 7 for my bolt guns, meanwhile researching LBP or flow through cans for my ARs. Settled on HUXWRX Ventum 7.62 and have been very happy so far. The Ventum stays on my 16" 223 and has helped me killed a handful of yotes in the past couple months. If i could improve one thing on the Ventum, it would be the weight, althought it's not terrible as is. My TBAC Ultra 7 has only been shot on my new 7PRC and I love it, recoil is modest and so quiet compared to the brakes I used to shoot.

A friend of mine got a B&T SRBS 762-DM for his AR and his experience is similar. Great for rifle function and love its sound suppression, just on the heavy side especially because he has the ASR QD system.

To address the heat topic, yes things get hot, but my Ultra7 with a cover doesnt have much issues here in AZ when I shoot a group and let things chill for a bit. I slide the supprerssor cover rearward onto the barrel and let the can cool, it cools quickly. Without the cover, you will have heat waves after a handful of shots. Dont plan on touching the can bare-handed after its been shot and you'll be good, just takes a leather glove if you need to.

akmtnhnt said:

One will work for both, but they make flow through suppressors for gas guns that don't have as much gas coming out of the ejection port into your face. Generally these don't suppress quite as well, so it's nice to have 2.
Generally you'll need to turn the gas down a bit with a suppressor.
There are no long term effects on a rifle other than you'll likely shoot them more.

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The Silencer Company Omega 36M gets work on both my 5.56 AR15 and .340Wby mag Weatherby MKV. It works great for both. For the AR it is used in short mode and long mode for the bolt gun. This suppressor was chosen for just this reason as it was cheaper than two. Note that for the gas gun an adjustable gas block is necessary. A gas suppressing charging handle is really nice to have as well. I use one from Silencer Company.

Another benefit of the 36M is that an muzzle break can be incorporated with the suppressor. It doesn't work as well as a stand along brake, but it helps. I run the .340 with a brake when target shooting and the can when hunting. This appears to be common practice among members of this forum.

Jump on the can band wagon. You will not regret that you did. Chat with the reps at different companies and compare notes. This is not a cheap accessory and worth the investment in time to make sure you get the one that is right for you.

Yeah, I would feel safe to say it's going to work!

Who cares if your At gets dirtier with a non flow through can. I want max suppression and you give up some suppression with the flow through cans.

If you have a quality AR it will run when dirty and they are easy to clean up if you're into that.

akmtnhnt said:

One will work for both, but they make flow through suppressors for gas guns that don't have as much gas coming out of the ejection port into your face. Generally these don't suppress quite as well, so it's nice to have 2.
Generally you'll need to turn the gas down a bit with a suppressor.
There are no long term effects on a rifle other than you'll likely shoot them more.

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This is the answer. I own a bunch ( 15-18 ) suppressors and only shoot with one. Rimfire, center fire, bolt and ar, I have 2 shotgun suppressors and had a suppressed muzzleloader. All guns react differently when you put on on it. Ar's sometimes take some tuning depending on barrel length, gas system length, buffer weight but generally if you have an adjustable gas block you can make them run without any trouble. I haven't had any issues over pressure with bolt guns adding a can. I tell everyone who's wanting to buy one to get 3, one to dedicated to your most used rifle one to move around if you want and a rimfire can that's easy to clean because shooting a suppressed 22 lr is the best way to get people who don't/haven't shot guns to get them to enjoy shooting plus it's awesome to have a target ring louder than the gun you're shooting it with.

Mike D Texas said:

Who cares if your At gets dirtier with a non flow through can. I want max suppression and you give up some suppression with the flow through cans.

If you have a quality AR it will run when dirty and they are easy to clean up if you're into that.

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I 100% agree. I own 2 sbr ( short barrel rifle) 8" 300 blkout and 11" 223 that have rarely been cleaned and have 1000's of rounds between them. Only ever shot suppressed with a non flow though can. Yes they get dirty but they are ar's they are all carbon machines by design. The bullets do get dirty a little dirty but so what. I've never not had one chamber because there was a little carbon on the brass. I use one or the other several times a week for predator control or pig hunting and they just work. If I take the gun apart for some reason it gets cleaned but other than that they get put away the same way they come out dirty. You make them function correctly with adjustable gas blocks, buffers & springs you get just as much gas as shooting without a can.

Bang4theBuck said:

Does it make you feel good to refer to others (many likely otherwise like-minded) of being clueless, 'soft in the head', or idiotic? No response required, but you might consider being a little less harsh. Just saying.

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Not directed at any specific person at all, but rather a story of my previous cluelessness. I remember how I felt after investing 1k and 18 months of time, when I ignorantly screwed on a high noise reduction/high back pressure can on an AR I had set up for pigs at the time. I knew it would make some difference in how quick the rifle got dirty, but I wasn't aware of or ready for exactly how bad it would be. I can assure you I was extremely disappointed and felt like a complete moron ( this is my foray into less-harsh land, look at me go..) And I had to talk to NUMEROUS people and scan NUMEROUS forums before I found someone that actually HAD the presence of mind, experience and higher expectations from their equipment, to find out what actually worked. So another 1.2k and another 14 months and I had a flow through can that performed on an AR like it should.

It was an expensive and time consuming lesson, I'm trying to pay it forward for those who were in the same position as myself. Think Gandhi, Mother Theresa etc...


Can technology is changing by the day, I'm not up to date on every single manufacturer, nor claiming to be, but my point is this. On an AR, if you DON'T run some sort of LBP or Flow-Through can, you WILL get your feelings hurt by how quickly it fouls and the subsequent needed cleanings. I sure did, it and was totally unnecessary provided I had the correct , objective information. ( Keep in mind this was several years ago, when flow-throughs just got on the scene.) How important that factor is to any specific individual, is up to the individual. A guy who is going to shoot 13 rds a year, probably doesn't care. A guy that has lots of pigs to shoot at night and may shoot 85 rds in 3 nights, will care quite a bit!

At the risk of being too adamant with my own experienced driven opinions, I will also say that I've gone to piston kits on all my AR's. Piston driven with LBP cans is the best option I have found to date. So that's what I recommend. YMMV

Bolt guns, not a factor, I go for most decibel suppression.

Thank your time. I celebrate diversity, and love all humanity.

ddman said:

This is the answer. I own a bunch ( 15-18 ) suppressors and only shoot with one. Rimfire, center fire, bolt and ar, I have 2 shotgun suppressors and had a suppressed muzzleloader. All guns react differently when you put on on it. Ar's sometimes take some tuning depending on barrel length, gas system length, buffer weight but generally if you have an adjustable gas block you can make them run without any trouble. I haven't had any issues over pressure with bolt guns adding a can. I tell everyone who's wanting to buy one to get 3, one to dedicated to your most used rifle one to move around if you want and a rimfire can that's easy to clean because shooting a suppressed 22 lr is the best way to get people who don't/haven't shot guns to get them to enjoy shooting plus it's awesome to have a target ring louder than the gun you're shooting it with.

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What shotgun cans do you have? Or are they integral?

akmtnhnt said:

What shotgun cans do you have? Or are they integral?

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Unfortunately there hasn't been any real development on a good shotgun silencer. The SiCo is probably the most well-designed, but when I shot one it was as heavy as a brick on the end of any standard shotgun barrel, and barely suppresses in the short configurations. I'd never carry it in the field...directional electronic muffs are still king for shotguns.

To be fair, shotguns have such a huge variation in use case that designing a good one would be a huge undertaking. And shotgunners are so notoriously cheap that I bet the companies seriously worry about ROI

I was interested in JK Armament's offering for turkey hunting with my kids, but there's so many poor reviews that I'm not willing to drop the money on one to try out.

khart1988 said:

Unfortunately there hasn't been any real development on a good shotgun silencer. The SiCo is probably the most well-designed, but when I shot one it was as heavy as a brick on the end of any standard shotgun barrel, and barely suppresses in the short configurations. I'd never carry it in the field...directional electronic muffs are still king for shotguns.

To be fair, shotguns have such a huge variation in use case that designing a good one would be a huge undertaking. And shotgunners are so notoriously cheap that I bet the companies seriously worry about ROI

I was interested in JK Armament's offering for turkey hunting with my kids, but there's so many poor reviews that I'm not willing to drop the money on one to try out.

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Ya, that's kind of what I've seen to. And ya the jk has terrible reviews. Pretty much have to run it wet to get much. No thanks.

Have you shot any of the integrals on shotguns?