I suppose it would crimp but when set up the dies I turn them back one turn from crimping the case. I never crimp other than lead bullets.
.358 Winchester experience anyone?
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One of the all-time great ones, especially in a lever gun, I can't understand why more shooters and companies aren't all over this cartridge.
Deputy819
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Gotcha. Me either....I just thought that might be how you get the bullet to stay in place on top of all that powder.
When seated to the cannelure my 200 gr round-nose bullets push back out several thousandths. Accuracy wasnt there anyways....didnt come in consistently until I seated them further out.Ah but I think you mentioned 3031 powder which may not compress like 4064.Gotcha. Me either....I just thought that might be how you get the bullet to stay in place on top of all that powder.
Deputy819
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This is true. I've never used 4064 so I'm not familiar with its properties. May have to look into trying it at some point. Found some TAC at Cabelas in Louisville over the week-end, but they only had 2 lbs of it. If there had been more I would've bought some of that to try for sure.
The Starline brass I am using is 308 brass necked up to 358; did not realize they marked 358 Winchester brass. Don't know how much difference the volume would be between necked up brass and their 358
Deputy819
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Yeah, I ordered some "Bulk Packaged" Starline brass in .358 from Midway USA. Now, I will admit that I had to full-length size this new brass to iron out all dented/bent necks, etc. I set my die up per instructions and after sizing all of it they would NOT chamber. Had to screw the die in an additional 1/3 of a turn and then everything chambered just fine.
One note to keep in mind when using the 358 Win. Do not sit under a big hemlock tree that is covered with snow and fire one. There was an old man in a town in WV that had a Savage 99 and told me once of this experience. There was a pretty deep snow on everything and still snowing so he decided to set up under this big hemlock tree where there was not much snow and it would protect him from the snow that was still falling. He was deer hunting. Along comes this buck and when he shoots it triggered an avalanche of the snow piled up in the bows of the hemlock tree and buries him in snow. LOL
Regarding full length sizing of brass. For the setup of the die, with the shell holder in place, I run the ram up fully and screw the die down to touch then a bit further so that the press goes "over center" just a bit agains the die to be sure the brass will go completely into the die. For neck sizing with the same die setup, I have a washer to go between the die and the press. There are others who handle it differently. I full-length size all new brass and then only neck size for a single rifle use but always full size for a semi-auto rifle.
Deputy819
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Yep..that's what I did initially, but it just didn't work out. Normally I don't do anything to my new brass. However, this stuff was all dented up which I thought was kind of unusual for Starline brass. Only used Starline once before in .357 Magnum and it was beautiful right off the bat.
I may be able to squeeze a little more powder in those cases after the once fired stage......
Deputy819
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LOL! Duly noted. Did he get the buck?
Blackkettle
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I had a nice Win model 70 crf built back in 13. Didnt kill anything for the first 2 years almost sold it as making ammo from 308 cases was a pain.
I bought a box of hornady 200 gr sp and bam,started killing with it and it is my favorite gun. Ive shot thru pine branches and in thick mountain laurel.
IMO it is the best north american hunting gun. I hand load with H322 it has been a great preformer. I matched a handload to hornadys box load at 2458 mv and havent looked back. Its a killin machine. Then as I am growing older I had a muzzle brake added and its a pleasure to shoot.
I bought a box of hornady 200 gr sp and bam,started killing with it and it is my favorite gun. Ive shot thru pine branches and in thick mountain laurel.
IMO it is the best north american hunting gun. I hand load with H322 it has been a great preformer. I matched a handload to hornadys box load at 2458 mv and havent looked back. Its a killin machine. Then as I am growing older I had a muzzle brake added and its a pleasure to shoot.
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greenejc
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I shoot its bigger brother, the 35 Whelen, but the 358 Winchester will do anything you need it to out to about 250-300 yards with the Sierra 225gn Gameking. It will hit like a sledge hammer inside 150 yards, and will take down large bears with either the Barnes 225 grain or the Speer 250 grain bullets. You can get pretty close to 2400fps from the 225 grain bullets in your barrel length with careful reloading and around 2200fps with the 250 grain. You might also use the excellent Speer 220 grain flatnose bullet in it, since the ranges with this round are mostly going to be inside 300 yards. It should be a really handy rifle for inside 250 yards.
greenejc
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Try the 35 Whelen. Its the 358 on serious steroids and has a flat enough trajectory with good loads to hit reliably at 600 yards and farther. I've killed several deer with the Sierra Gameking at distances of 350 to 450 yards and had large exit wounds with deer on the ground within 10 feet when they didn't just drop right there. All the .35s are good killers, including the .35 Remington.
