When do you chamber a round while hunting?

[FEENIX]

I can't believe we're almost a dozen pages in and nobody's uttered the word creedmoor...

Not that it's relevant, but what thread here goes so far without it's mention?

Because it's the *hit that gives people heart attacks.

 

[mfk]

I can't believe we're almost a dozen pages in and nobody's uttered the word creedmoor...

Not that it's relevant, but what thread here goes so far without it's mention?

Bahahah!!!

 

[Deleted member 48126]

I saw my first ND at a match on Jan 5th. The team was in first place and got DQd from the round and got bumped to 4th bc of it. The rifle fired when the guy closed the bolt. That's the only rifle malfunction ND I've ever seen. I also had a trigger get stuck on a 249 but I don't count that as an ND since it was pulled before the malfunction. Now I have seen about a dozen or so NDs from the idiots behind the trigger.

As for the firing pin and primer. I just wouldn't want to risk placing anything against the primer. That's my only safety concern. Or me being a moron trying to decock it and I accidentally fire it. That's a concern for me too.

 

[MudRunner2005]

I can't believe we're almost a dozen pages in and nobody's uttered the word creedmoor...

Not that it's relevant, but what thread here goes so far without it's mention?

There is no safety on a Creedmoor... It's like falconry... You have to capture it, train it for 3 weeks, and then after enough time, you take it for a free-flight, and it's entirely up to it if it wants to come back to you... And then it will only fire when you, as it's master, tell it to.

 

[bigngreen]

I get it - but having a cocked firing pin drop unexpectedly is different than an intentionally decocked firing pin setting off a round. I am guessing you have never seen that happen? Neither have I. So why jump to the conclusion that it is less safe than than one in the pipe With a safety engaged? You don't know that.

You aren't reading very well, the ONLY reason I haven't had it happen is I didn't have a round in the chamber, had I had a round in I would have blown a hole in my shop.

 

[Canhunter35]

Regardless, I didn't even realize people walked around with rifles loaded in decocked position...seems crazy
I'd also like to add, option b is fine when you're alone, but if you're hunting in a group, safeties still offer more risk than an empty gun. I've had a safety fail and seen safety's get knocked off, especially rem 700 safeties.

 

[FIGJAM]

You aren't reading very well, the ONLY reason I haven't had it happen is I didn't have a round in the chamber, had I had a round in I would have blown a hole in my shop.

Smh...is it my reading or your writing? I get it, you work on guns a lot. But does that mean you can make statements without being able to support them? It would be stupid to work on guns with a live round in the chamber...thats different than hunting with a decocked bolt gun.

 

[therifleman556]

I don't think impact from a fall can cause enough force for a round to be discharged by a decocked firing pin. I think the force would have to be more significant than is realistically possible from regular use or misuse.

Emphasis added. I don't know those answers either.

What I am trying to argue is this:

A primer fires by inertia from the pin, no one would argue that. With the pin resting on the primer all that's left to do is add inertia. How much, or what direction is irrelevant; no one knows for sure what kind of accident or takes to complete the cycle.

No one would argue that one should replace using common sense and firearms safety with a mechanical one; *but*, with said mechanism in use there is at least something in use that is designed to arrest the pin. With condition C, there's none.

 

[FIGJAM]

Regardless, I didn't even realize people walked around with rifles loaded in decocked position...seems crazy
I'd also like to add, option b is fine when you're alone, but if you're hunting in a group, safeties still offer more risk than an empty gun. I've had a safety fail and seen safety's get knocked off, especially rem 700 safeties.

I didn't know it was a thing until a few years ago...also thought it was crazy until I put it through some testing, now I feel safer with that than with the safety...

 

[bigngreen]

Smh...is it my reading or your writing? I get it, you work on guns a lot. But does that mean you can make statements without being able to support them? It would be stupid to work on guns with a live round in the chamber...thats different than hunting with a decocked bolt gun.

No it's not my writing, I've tried every way to explain how a bolt action works, others have show picture and you a Mud can't wrap you pumpkins around it!!

 

[FIGJAM]

No it's not my writing, I've tried every way to explain how a bolt action works, others have show picture and you a Mud can't wrap you pumpkins around it!!

I understand what you are saying - it doesn't prove option C is unsafe or any less safe than B.

 

[bigngreen]

History proves it, every one and their dog knows you don't carry an older rifle with the hammer resting on the pin which in turn rest on the primer it cap. If it was absalutely safer every rifle maker known would recommend it. Even a 200 year old Flint lock is packed in half cock and not with the hammer resting on the frizzen. Rifle ignition design has never relied on the firing mechanism resting on the case for safety.

 

[bigngreen]

Thinking about it we actually know what it would take to fire the round if the pin was struck, if it was the type of rifle that the cocking pin sat flush when at rest you would fire it with an 18 lb .180 fall, longer fall less weight.
What it would take to jar it to fire would take weighing the rifle and dropping and figuring inertia till it fired.

 

[therifleman556]

I understand what you are saying - it doesn't prove option C is unsafe or any less safe than B.

This is purely speculative and for debate purposes only. God help us never prove one another right.