Why is the 6mm so successful at matches?

[blipelt]

I was reading the comments on the thread BOTW really the best and didn't want to steal the post so I figured I would start a new one. People were talking quite extensively about wind. My question is why are the 6mm so successful in the comps. In the local F-class comps the Dagley's are usually in the hunt every time with the 6X47lapuas. Richard Schatz is one of the best with his 6Dasher Why? Here in ND we have wind and alot of it. How can they give up the weight and BC and consistently win? Experience? Can we make up shortcomings with experience and ability? We have alot of great shooters here and would like to hear some of their thoughts. I personally think experience(shooting and reloading) is the most important factor in long range shooting no matter what discipline.

 

[goodgrouper]

I was reading the comments on the thread BOTW really the best and didn't want to steal the post so I figured I would start a new one. People were talking quite extensively about wind. My question is why are the 6mm so successful in the comps. In the local F-class comps the Dagley's are usually in the hunt every time with the 6X47lapuas. Richard Schatz is one of the best with his 6Dasher Why? Here in ND we have wind and alot of it. How can they give up the weight and BC and consistently win? Experience? Can we make up shortcomings with experience and ability? We have alot of great shooters here and would like to hear some of their thoughts. I personally think experience(shooting and reloading) is the most important factor in long range shooting no matter what discipline.

In the long range or mid range formats, the bullets of choice of 6mm's are 95 grain VLD's up to 120 VLD's which have a ballistic coefficient in the range of .5 to over .6. These are comparable bc's to 30 caliber bullets in the 165-200+ categories. Couple this with small recoils, inherently accurate small cartridges and they will often outshoot the big whopper guns. My 6br improved has identical trajectories with my 300 win mag!

Put a well tuned 6br in the hands of someone who knows how to read wind flags and you will be surprised what he can do with it.

In short range, there are other calibers which drift less, but can't compete accuracy wise with the 6ppc. I've tried several things to try to beat the 6ppc and come to the conclusion it can't be done yet.

 

[RBetts]

Shooting competition is about concentration. The more you can concentrate the better you can do. As Goodgrouper stated the 6mms don't give up much if any BC to anything you can shoot well without a muzzle brake. You put someone on the line with a over .7mm or .30 or bigger. They might shoot better score on the first couple of shots but in the end recoil and muzzle blast will cause a lapse in concentration. At any level that lapse will show up on the target.
In a hunting situation you have that magical substance called adrenaline. Add alittle adrenaline to any shooter capable of making a shot or 2 and the recoil factor is negated.

 

[canderson]

I have a switch barrel rifle for f class. One barrel is a 6 dasher the other 284 Shehane. Both shoot very well, but the dasher is a whole lot easier to drive than the 284. As stated before, concentration is a huge factor in f class. Usually, my dasher hardly moves off of the x ring. You can shoot 80 shots a day and feel like you did when you started. It is also a great deer round. I have killed two deer with it this year. One was at 500yds, the other about 100, neither one moved a bit.

 

[blipelt]

Thanks guys you pretty much said what I thought. My point I wanted to stress was practice.

With more and more companies starting to cater to long range shooting. It will make things simpler. Is this a good thing? Will people be missing something if they don't reload their own ammo?

I am trying to get some of the more experienced people here to post for some of the younger less experienced to learn from. Not everybody was as lucky as myself to have Nathan Dagley and Richard Schatz as mentors. The more I shoot and learn the less I really know. Funny how that works.



Brent

 

[Boss Hoss]

In the long range or mid range formats, the bullets of choice of 6mm's are 95 grain VLD's up to 120 VLD's which have a ballistic coefficient in the range of .5 to over .6. These are comparable bc's to 30 caliber bullets in the 165-200+ categories. Couple this with small recoils, inherently accurate small cartridges and they will often outshoot the big whopper guns. My 6br improved has identical trajectories with my 300 win mag!

Put a well tuned 6br in the hands of someone who knows how to read wind flags and you will be surprised what he can do with it.

In short range, there are other calibers which drift less, but can't compete accuracy wise with the 6ppc. I've tried several things to try to beat the 6ppc and come to the conclusion it can't be done yet.

Very well said!! The PPC is the choice for short range but others are making progress. The 1k rifle I compete with is the 6.5 284----just a little bigger but the 142 SMK just shoots lights out and helps me win and get more points!! LOL!!!!!!

BTW---your question about shooting out west this year---kind of doubt it because of the 2 day drive but never say never!!!

 

[X3MHunter]

The 6mm are good out to 600, after that you start giving up too much to the 6.5mm and the 7mm rifles. It's like everything, they are good but they can only take you so far.

You see alot of 6mm at the Midrange championship, 6BRX, Dasher, 6XC, and 6X47 Lapuas to name a few, but at the Longrange Championship there are mainly 6.5mm and 7mm. 6.5x47 Lapua, 6.5-284, 284, 284 Shehane, 7 SAUM, and one or two 7WSM's.

So as far as 6mm being more accurate I would say only out to 600 yds., after that it's necessary to burn more powder!

-X3M

 

[goodgrouper]

The 6mm are good out to 600, after that you start giving up too much to the 6.5mm and the 7mm rifles. It's like everything, they are good but they can only take you so far.

You see alot of 6mm at the Midrange championship, 6BRX, Dasher, 6XC, and 6X47 Lapuas to name a few, but at the Longrange Championship there are mainly 6.5mm and 7mm. 6.5x47 Lapua, 6.5-284, 284, 284 Shehane, 7 SAUM, and one or two 7WSM's.

So as far as 6mm being more accurate I would say only out to 600 yds., after that it's necessary to burn more powder!

-X3M

I have to disagree. There have been many 1k matches won with 6mm's both for score and group. Yes, it gives up a bit to the bigger stuff when the wind really starts howling but the 6mm shouldn't be underestimated.
Some of my best 1k groups have been shot with the puny little 6br improved and many a rockchuck and prairie dog have been killed in excess of 1000 yards with it too.

Out here in the west, the 6mm's show a bit better than they do back east but that hasn't stopped the Williamsport crowd from using and winning with them.

 

[X3MHunter]

There were no 6mm in the top 3 at the world F-Class championships or at the last Nationals, one can't help but wonder why.

-X3M

 

[goodgrouper]

There were no 6mm in the top 3 at the world F-Class championships or at the last Nationals, one can't help but wonder why.

-X3M

How 'bout the top 10?


Check out what they did at Williamsport this year. Wasn't there a world record set there just recently?
I think someone down in Tucson did good too or was it Reno?

Hey, and didn't Ricard Shatz get a big Redding ad for setting some kind of world record with his 6br dasher? Thought it was in a magazine around here somewhere..........

 

[goodgrouper]

Ah yes, here it is:


Best of the Best: 1000-yard Record Dasher


I love this one 'cause my buddy Dan brainstormed and created this round back in the day and they told him the same thing, "It's too **** small". Well, he's smiling now!

 

[Chas1]

Blipelt +1...The more I shoot and learn the less I really know. Same here, The more I read LRH forums and learn the less I really know.

 

[distantfoe]

I know in the ukd matches, 6mm's are easy to spot your own misses/hits. Makes picking up a few extra points a lot easier.

 

[X3MHunter]

I guess what I meant is that they get affected by conditions more. I guess in a nice calm day the 6mm would be more accurate.

I stand corrected. But when the wind picks up I put down my 6 BRX and reach for the 6.5-284 or the 6.5X47 Lapua!

-X3M