Why i like my 260 rem so much now that there is no ammo over the 6.5 cm

[Tex_Hunter]

I was generalizing in terms of the hate that they get. The 1997 Escort is a perfectly serviceable car (and the same year the 6.5-308 wildcat was legitimized), but they're old and not new, which is the argument Creedmoor fans make against the 260 Rem.

260 Rem fans say the new fangled gizmo is new and annoying, so they grumble about the new fangled-ality of the thing, and say their old stuff is better.

Meanwhile in common sense land, the ballistics between the 6.5 Creed and 260 Rem are almost identical. If anyone cares about the 1gr of water capacity the Creed gives to the 260 then there's the 6.5x47, 6.5PRC, 6.5-284, 6.5x55 that are all faster than either of them. Barrel twist is a useless argument because you can chamber either in whatever twist you want.

Comparing chamberings on the availability of factory ammo in a reloading forum doesn't make a lot of sense. We are not the people who only have 2-6 boxes of factory ammo on the shelf.

We're all aware this is the reloading sub-forum, right?

Escort is a poor analogy, I've always preferred the comparison between the old 5.4l 3V Triton in my 2010 F150 vs the 5.0l Coyote engine offered starting in 2011. On paper and in the real world they are very comparable, in the 09-16 trucks both even had the same 6speed transmission; one is just older tech, less efficient/not quite as good gas mileage, higher displacement (260 has larger case capacity) whereas the 5.0l is a new design, more powerfull etc.

Is the 5.4 a bad motor? No, but the 5.0 is better in nearly any measurable criteria. With a tune my 5.4l performs at or above the stock 5.0l even. Should I sell my 2010 to buy a newer 5.0 truck? No! but if you are starting from 0 and pricing is comparable then the newer engine is a better choice. I bought a 2010 with the 5.4 because comparable 2011s with a 5.0 were almost 20-30% more. I bought a Creedmoor because that same price difference isnt applicable.

The 260 isnt bad, the 6.5CM is just better.

 

[xsn10s]

FEENIX popcorn please.

 

[preventec47]

When considering the 6.5CM and thinking about ammo availability and performance, nothing
beats the .270. the 270 has great availability and with the right bullet can beat the 6.5 in any
trajectory contest.

 

[xsn10s]

175gr Matrix or 170gr EOL. Good medicine from what I hear. But what do I know. For SB Fords I'd probably take a F350 4X4 with a 351W and a 5 speed.

 

[Deleted member 103481]

Lol

my local stores have 6.5cm they've not had 260 in years

bullets same
Primers same
Powders same

in 2 min I found in stock creed brass by:
Starline
Hornady
Federal
Peterson
Lapua
Alpha

am I in a 2012 time machine?!

I have to eat crow. My local bass pro had like 10 boxes of sig elite hunter 260 ammo come in yesterday. Could not believe my eyes! They also have a bunch of 6mm Remington LOL

 

[OCHO505]

I have to eat crow. My local bass pro had like 10 boxes of sig elite hunter 260 ammo come in yesterday. Could not believe my eyes! They also have a bunch of 6mm Remington LOL

That is where I have been seeing it and at Sportsmen's Warehouse and consistently...

 

[Randy Tidwell]

25 Souper, now that's a round! Very under rated cartridge.

I have been told it was created before the 308, but the military was still stuck on 30 cal. So the developers made ot 30 cal. I love the round.

The small buck was taken on Catalina Island with Mod 70 Featherweight 25 Souper.

 

[Pdyson]

So the .260 is a Ford Escort? I think your a bit off your rocker in the comparison. I see the just of your point but the analogy isn't that great.

For the average hunter, like most of the world not on LRH they have 2 - 6 boxes of ammo and there is nothing wrong with that. Not everyone can have $2k of ammo because they want to be "prepared" so you can miss me with that! I have been a competitive archer and bowhunter my whole life just got into guns and its the worst time. Stuff happens and its not like anyone could foresee all that happened so...

Ammo and powder shortages happen all too frequently the last few years anyway. If you didn't see this one coming and you've been in the sport for more than a year...well you probably should have. I know Tom Gresham has been warning everyone that will listen since the 1990s. I didn't see the primer shortage but I expected all the rest. Other than retumbo and H1000 I'm flush with supplies and can last another year in some and longer for some of the 13 rifle calibers and 3 pistol I reload. Only thing I'm running low on is Retumbo and H1000. I'm down to just 1 1/2 and 2 pounds of each. They have been scarce for a couple years now. I keep missing the restock.

 

[Tex_Hunter]

I have made creed cases from 243 brass. Pretty simple you just run brass in creed die trim and size again. Load as always to finish with fireform and this works great.

Or... you know... you could just buy some, since its in stock literally anywhere I have looked in the last few weeks.

Lapua, ADG, Alpha, Starline, Hornady, Nosler... take your pick.

You and like half of the other people in this thread have mentioned brass availability or making brass from other cartridges. Why are people complicating things so much?

 

[Deleted member 103481]

That is where I have been seeing it and at Sportsmen's Warehouse and consistently...

Mine has been having a lot of 6mm creed and some 6.5. My academy always has 6.5

my bass pro also had about 15k rounds of 223/5.56 yesterday so it must have been a big shipment day. I'm interested to see how long each lasts

 

[OCHO505]

Ammo and powder shortages happen all too frequently the last few years anyway. If you didn't see this one coming and you've been in the sport for more than a year...well you probably should have. I know Tom Gresham has been warning everyone that will listen since the 1990s. I didn't see the primer shortage but I expected all the rest. Other than retumbo and H1000 I'm flush with supplies and can last another year in some and longer for some of the 13 rifle calibers and 3 pistol I reload. Only thing I'm running low on is Retumbo and H1000. I'm down to just 1 1/2 and 2 pounds of each. They have been scarce for a couple years now. I keep missing the restock.

I am a bowhunter and I will tell you like I said before. The high high majority of most riffle hunters don't have any of what you are saying the amount of people prepped are drop in the bucket to those that don't. I prefer to shoot my bow that is free not shoot $ out of my barrel for fun. I am getting more into it and its not my fault the world is spiraling out of control! There is still ammo to be had and I can still shoot and most guns I have 200 - 300 loaded rounds and more for the 5.56 so its not terrible. I have friend who has 2000 rounds of 6.5 CM and even if I knew what was going on I probably wouldn't have done that anyway. And maybe that is why there isn't ammo... LOL - Different ideas of preparation from person to person. I was all happy having 3/400 rounds and apparently that is peanuts compared to some of you guys! Live and learn I suppose. I just try and buy some when I can and I have thought about reloading but not sure its worth getting the gear if I can't find powder or primers.

 

[Deleted member 103481]

Work on finding primers in stock and if you succeed get the rest.

honestly finding a useable powder is not hard, find the "unicorn" powders everyone thinks you need is hard.

 

[OCHO505]

Mine has been having a lot of 6mm creed and some 6.5. My academy always has 6.5

my bass pro also had about 15k rounds of 223/5.56 yesterday so it must have been a big shipment day. I'm interested to see how long each lasts

When they had our city shut down, I went first day to get ammo as I had a feeling it would be loaded and it was. First boxes of 7-08 I had seen in months got all of them. I grabbed 2 boxes of 150 round 5.56 and turned around and the other 6 boxes gone. was loaded with people and all of it gone like 10 minutes.

Scored more Grendel from Midway on the reminder deal and it worked! We don't have an academy here I wish.

 

[25WSM]

Socom has already adopted the 6.5 creed to replace the 308. There have been .260 ARs around for a long time and they picked the Creed instead. Hornady got a huge contract for the ammo. Using the 147eldm. So I expect that bullet to dry up for awhile till they get the contract covered. I think the military still shoots the 308 because of the sheer cost of conversion. But Socom is relatively small in comparison. Be interesting to see how long it sticks or if more of the military starts to use it. Nothing wrong with the 260 except that in short actions you need to put the bullets so deep in the case the little extra capacity it has is negated. Now put that same 260 in a medium or long action and throat it out properly and it will easily outrun the Creed. The Creed is only better because it fits in the short actions a bit better. Probably why socom chose it too because you have a fixed length in an AR mag and the Creed fits better.
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