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Why Hammer Bullets Are Always Faster
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Good for you brother, I hope and pray the best for you guys. You all have worked your Butts off. Go get you some.
The really old reloading manuals had alt stiffer numbersThat's why I have several reloading manuals and keep all my older manuals too. Things change over the years. I still have some 70gr Speer bullets I tried in the 70's for a .224 cal. The only thing I went to the high load, and blew out a primer in a 220 swift. I still have the box of bullets and the reloading powder chart that came with the box. Never used them again, anyway they stay on the shelving above the reload bench. A reminder about starting at the top and work your way down. Not to trust the info, but maybe starting at the low end of powder and move up. That was the first time a blow a primer out of a cartridge, and the 2nd time was with IMR powder and temp change. I work real hard not to use double base powders. All of those were develop in hot weather, so I don't worry about them in cold weather except for velocity lost.
I had noted in a Sierra Manual last year on 220 Swifts the velocity was down by several hundred fps on a 55gr bullet I use in that rifle. I wonder what the h***. Sierra changed from a 1-14 to a 1-12 twist barrel and slowed the velocity down about 300fps.
I know that the rifle manufactures bring out a new rifle to sell. Play their rifles up against others in the say caliber. "Look at mine" It's faster and better. Read into it and you'll generally see their barrets are 2" long to start with, and they have develop a load for it, that's hotter too. So I kind of feel, Look at me and my rifle. With some load development with your rifle, you probable can come very close there velocity anyway and don't have to buy a new rifle.
And PRIMATIVE EQUIPMENT. I have books from my grandfather reloading days. PLEASE DON'T USE.
The problem I see that cannot be addressed due significant costs, is taking advantage of the bullet design using non standard powders for a specific cartridge. Just because a powder is not listed does not mean its not safe to use. The powders that are selected are the typical powders and do not include all powders that can be used.
Do any of use know what the manufacturer are using??? NO And you never will.
What they list in there manuals is what we receive from distributors. What they use, we will never know. Is what i meant.
I have gotten some Vihtavuori powders. They are there single based powders. Looking the chart of burn rates. They show up inbetween different powders that I use. I am going to give them a trail to see how they work. I don't have much on powder amounts for different cases. I feel I can figure it out. Base on what out there on load for like type cases and bullet weights. Should get me petty close to start with. I kind of feel that there possible some of there powders that could work out very well.
So I got a single # of 4 different powders of Vihavuori.
The manufactures want to sell their produce. Not reloads! I love to reload ammo and to see how they works out. I have some surprises, but over the long run, my loads have worked out and are accurate. In reloading I work on two items. Velocity and accuracy. The third thing is how or what they do to the animal intended to be used on. Are the bullets doing what they should be, or exploding and blood shot the animal. Finally are they not opening up for a good wound channel. Or they don't doing anything, but cut a small hole in the animal. If you are just punching paper it doesn't matter that much. Hunting animals the upmost should be applied to put the animal down quickly, not tracking them for hours, and worst is loosing them. Not every shot is going into the right place, but the upmost should be done.
Kind of got of track. Sorry! D*M Soap box.
So I got a single # of 4 different powders of Vihavuori.
The manufactures want to sell their produce. Not reloads! I love to reload ammo and to see how they works out. I have some surprises, but over the long run, my loads have worked out and are accurate. In reloading I work on two items. Velocity and accuracy. The third thing is how or what they do to the animal intended to be used on. Are the bullets doing what they should be, or exploding and blood shot the animal. Finally are they not opening up for a good wound channel. Or they don't doing anything, but cut a small hole in the animal. If you are just punching paper it doesn't matter that much. Hunting animals the upmost should be applied to put the animal down quickly, not tracking them for hours, and worst is loosing them. Not every shot is going into the right place, but the upmost should be done.
Kind of got of track. Sorry! D*M Soap box.
Rich Coyle
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And PRIMATIVE EQUIPMENT. I have books from my grandfather reloading days. PLEASE DON'T USE.
Why? Do you know, empirically, people who used them and broke their guns?
And PRIMATIVE EQUIPMENT. I have books from my grandfather reloading days. PLEASE DON'T USE.
Hard rock
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I have an old Speer reloading manual , that shows some pretty hot loads . Last year I built a 25-284 and the only data for the 1963 wild cat was in that manual . It gave me a guideline to load 90 gr Hammer absolutes start low on the 87gr Speer using the 90 gr Hammer and work up . So yes you can use old data with a little common sense . I f you want too see some really hot data look at the old P.O.Ackley reloading handbook , I have used that one too, once again start low and work up , data is a starting point for the unknown. I haven't broke a gun yet , loading for over 50 yrs , and I ain't lucky. Just Blessed.
Rich Coyle
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I talked to ol' P.O. He was a nut case. He seriously told me, "For max loads, you run up till you pop a primer, back off a grain and there's you hunting load."
Those old reloading manuals are a resources to figure what is not shown in the new manuals. Powders change a lot over a time periods. Some powders are discontinued, but somebody may have some still around.
I also feel that some manual slow down some loads to show new cartridges that have come out are better. Like the 220 swift, they have slowed it down to make the 22/250 look better and other cartridges in that category. I realize that the move is toward heavier bullets is the rage presently. thats find by me.
Not all reloading manuals have the same powders in them either, and type of cartridges in them either. I find other manuals very lacking in cartridges in their manuals.
I also feel that some manual slow down some loads to show new cartridges that have come out are better. Like the 220 swift, they have slowed it down to make the 22/250 look better and other cartridges in that category. I realize that the move is toward heavier bullets is the rage presently. thats find by me.
Not all reloading manuals have the same powders in them either, and type of cartridges in them either. I find other manuals very lacking in cartridges in their manuals.
