Which Caliber?

[25WSM]

Big green I can tell you at 1000 yards my Creed is ballistically better than my 300wsm shooting 210vlds. And I know at distance a 300wsm will beat a 308 easily. I shoot a 300wsm in heavy gun and a 6.5creed in light gun. The Creed and my 300wsm shoot almost the same speed 2850 for the Creed and 2880 for my wsm it has a 34 inch 1.450 barrel. The Creed has a higher bc so it drops less and had less wind drift. The wsm has only 300 ft pounds more energy. The Creed easily has better ballistics at 1000 yards compared to a 308. I don't care how you set up a 308. A 308 can't even come close to enough velocity with a 200 or 225 grain bullet. Only takes 30 seconds to run the numbers.
Shep

 

[bigngreen]

I run a 215 at 2640 fps in a 308 for hunting and a 140 in the 6.5 Creed 2930 fps bot solid accuracy nodes using small primer Lapua brass. The 215 will open well below the 140, more energy with the same windage. I've shot them both on game a long ways, I'll shoot the 215 farther.

 

[25WSM]

What 140 in the Creed?
Shep

 

[bigngreen]

What 140 in the Creed?
Shep

Berger hunting vld, is there anything else? The 215 Berger opens on lighter game and lower velocity than the 140 VLD and you can tell a hole difference!!

 

[25WSM]

Between your 2 bullets they are equal in wind drift but the Creed is 4moa flatter shooting to 1000. Yes that 308 is going to make a much bigger hole.
Shep

 

[bigngreen]

Between your 2 bullets they are equal in wind drift but the Creed is 4moa flatter shooting to 1000. Yes that 308 is going to make a much bigger hole.
Shep

Yep!

 

[GonzoK34]

For everyone recommending the 7-08 with a 140 AB, can you please expand on what a 7mm 140 AB running at 2850 will do that a 6.5 140 running at 2800 out to 300yds?

Too close in comparison. 600 yards there still comparable. I prefer the 7-08 shooting 160gr bullet for elk.

 

[GonzoK34]

7-08 160TSXFB , IMR4064 39grs BC.392. Last elk 475 yds poa/poi front of shoulder thru the neck . Broke neck dropped like a sack of potatoes.

 

[LVJ76]

7-08 160TSXFB , IMR4064 39grs BC.392. Last elk 475 yds poa/poi front of shoulder thru the neck . Broke neck dropped like a sack of potatoes.

I've been thinking about trying IMR-4064 on my 160gr and 162gr bullets. IMR-4350 has worked well for me in the past but not on my current 7mm-08's, except on a couple of bullets. My silhouette competitionrifle doea love it. Reloaders also did not work out, except for 19 but too temp sensitive.

What speed are you getting and with what size barrel?

TIA

 

[ElkSurgeon]

I've been thinking about trying IMR-4064 on my 160gr and 162gr bullets. IMR-4350 has worked well for me in the past but not on my current 7mm-08's, except on a couple of bullets. My silhouette competitionrifle doea love it. Reloaders also did not work out, except for 19 but too temp sensitive.

What speed are you getting and with what size barrel?

TIA

Maybe try H4350 if you can find a morsel of such

 

[338 dude]

If you reload the 6.5 Creed easily does 2950 with 140 class bullets. Just have to find some rl-26. If your only shooting to 300 yards just about any cartridge will do it for ya. I'm kind of biased on the 6.5 Creed because I use it for 1000 yard compatition. It does really good at long range. If you don't reload go with the 6.5 Creed anyway. Hard to find a more accurate rifle with factory ammo than the 6.5 Creed. They all seem to shoot so good. Killed my biggest buck ever with a 308 but it's just plain boring. Good round but boring none the less. Energy levels are very similar at 300 yards but the section density of the 6.5 bullets are very high. Here is a little comparison for you to think about. A 308 with a 168 Berger vld doing 2800fps will have 1200 ft pounds to 585 yards. The 6.5 Creed with a 144 Berger at 2850 has 1200 ft pounds to 780 yards. That's almost 200 more yards with the same energy. And at 585 yards the little Creed has 1480 ft pounds. At 300 yards the Creed has 100 more ft pounds than the 308. These numbers are easily verified in any ballistic program. I happen to use Shooter. Someone is going to say run a 175vld at 2700 and see. It's the same numbers as the 168 at 2800. The math doesn't lie. Wind drift numbers between the 2 are only close at 300, beyond that and the Creed easily out paces the 308. Did I mention less recoil in the Creed also. But remember I am a biased 6.5 supporter. Just look at the math yourself.
Shep

+1 for shooter app

 

[LVJ76]

Maybe try H4350 if you can find a morsel of such

Thanks, I keep reading that H4350 works great but cant seen to find it Lol. I try to stick to powders I can always find, but maybe I'll find a 10 lbg jug, you never know. Thanks again

 

[JMW67]

Thanks, I keep reading that H4350 works great but cant seen to find it Lol. I try to stick to powders I can always find, but maybe I'll find a 10 lbg jug, you never know. Thanks again

powder valley has h-4350 in 0nes and eights right now

 

[25WSM]

I tell all my customers to load shooter in their phone. I think it cost like 10 bucks. It's pretty easy to learn and does it all. The Android version is easier to use I think. Once you have this you can play with all different bullets at various velocities to compare them. The 308 sniper round the us snipers use has 89 inches of wind drift at 1000 yards in a 10 mph wind. The 6.5 Creed with a 144 Berger has just 55 inches. No brainier which one would create more hits. But then again I am completely biased. I totally think 308s are boring and Creed's are yummy cool-aid. But I don't exaggerate the numbers. Anyone can look these up.
Shep