Which bullet for Utah deer hunt/143 ELDX or 135 Berger Classic Hunter?

[Rotten]

Hahaha . Is funny how people can get so defensive about a cartridge and a brand of bullet. Nobody can make a bullet that's going to be perfect out of every cartridge at every velocity. It's impossible with the metallurgy of today and at a price point people will pay. Pick your limitations and give the wildlife the respect they deserve.

 

[Wachsmann]

Funny, love the commentary. Well done.

 

[Wachsmann]

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Hahaha . Is funny how people can get so defensive about a cartridge and a brand of bullet. Nobody can make a bullet that's going to be perfect out of every cartridge at every velocity. It's impossible with the metallurgy of today and at a price point people will pay. Pick your limitations and give the wildlife the respect they deserve.

So you bring up a good point. I wonder about the copper as to what it's made of how soft or how hard. I'm no chemist or metal expert but I think we can add or change the hardness of copper or make it softer. Some copper bullet seem to smush up better and some seem to fragment. I know this is done with jacket thickness. But just made me wonder what makes copper softer may have a direct impact on penetration and probably price of our bullet. Probably the biggest impact is operational cost and then R&D, and them probably promoting them.

 

[Rotten]

The monolithic bullets don't have a jacket. They are made of a solid piece of amalgamated copper. Depending upon the mixture of copper and how much of a hollow tip will determine the velocity at which they would expand. Think Barnes bullets with their lrx line vs their tsx line of bullets.
And the vast array of cartridges and velocities that they would have to change for all the calibers and say this will work on all game. That would be impossible . A 30 caliber varmint bullet vs a 30 caliber dangerous game bullet needs to be made completely different That's why bullet manufacturers will pick a bullet construction that's typically used for that bullet weight and design for a certain class of game animal and a typical range. If that makes any sense. That's why they put pictures of animals on boxes of ammo to let people know what it's designed for.

 

[txaggie1]

Barnes or Hammers I wouldn't venture to far and shot placement is key for the bullets to effectively open up as many have stated. Behind the shoulder maybe a long day trackin.

Begers - the meat eaters hate them, but they are sure accurate and kill allot of stuff. MIght not be much blood trail usually won't get a pass through out of something like a creedmoor at range - But they might also be piled up dead too! lol

ELDX and Accubonds based on my experience are similarly effective for creedmoor - personal favorite is 130 grain sirocco's, I get a pass thru (under 250-300 yards for our Texas deer) shoulder shots and good expansion on behind the shoulder shots.

I've seen ELDX come apart at close range shoulder shots (with PRC and higher velocity 6.5's not the creed persay) - no longer use them personally.

Know your gun and your limitations - go enjoy a hunt. Opinion are like "A" holes as they say everyone has one!

 

[FEENIX]

The monolithic bullets don't have a jacket. They are made of a solid piece of amalgamated copper. Depending upon the mixture of copper and how much of a hollow tip will determine the velocity at which they would expand. Think Barnes bullets with their lrx line vs their tsx line of bullets.
And the vast array of cartridges and velocities that they would have to change for all the calibers and say this will work on all game. That would be impossible . A 30 caliber varmint bullet vs a 30 caliber dangerous game bullet needs to be made completely different That's why bullet manufacturers will pick a bullet construction that's typically used for that bullet weight and design for a certain class of game animal and a typical range. If that makes any sense. That's why they put pictures of animals on boxes of ammo to let people know what it's designed for.

DRT (https://drtammo.com/drt-technology/) uses compressed metal powder/powder core technology.

 

[Allen Kitts]

I do not own a 6.5 Creedmoor but I do have several other 6.5 calibers and the Hammer bullets have worked great for me. They shoot like a lazer beam out of my 6.5 PRC and hit like a lightning bolt. I have not used the tipped 125 but I shoot the 124's in my 6.5 PRC and my 6.5 x 284 and I have had great luck with these little pills in both. Both are moving considerably faster than your posted velocities but I think they would work fantastic in the Creedmoor. So far bang flop on everything. I also do not have any experience with the 135's but have killed a pile of critters with the 140 elite hunter's in 6.5 caliber so I am sure it will work just the same. Just make sure you look at your velocity chart and stay above the minimum required FPS for expansion based on what the manufacturers state and you will be fine with any of these choices. I have personally witnessed some bad things with the 143 eld-x out of the PRC so I personally would not use them but tons of critters have went down to them, that's for sure. Good luck and post pics of the success.

 

[Goldengun]

135 classics, hands down. Got a box waiting to be loaded for my 260ai.

 

[Wachsmann]

Anyone runny 6.5 staball in the 6.5 creed.

Well I'm editing the post…I just looked at the hodgens web site and found plenty of load data.

 

[dgpcpa]

Drew a buck tag in Utah this fall (Cache unit up north). Planning to take my Sako A7 in 6.5 Creedmoor. The rifle shoots most bullets amazingly well (under .5 MOA) and I have the following loads that all shoot great:

143 grain ELD-X @ 2,710 fps

135 Berger Classic Hunter @ 2,770 fps

125 grain Hammer Tipped Hunter bullet @ 2,920 fps

I know all of them are capable of doing the job, but curious what the group thinks, especially those who have shot deer with the 6.5 Creedmoor.

Previously, I always used a 30 cal rifle on deer (308 Win, 30-06, 300 WM) and have never taken game yet with the 6.5 CM. Also, the 6.5CM is topped with a Nightforce NX8 4-32x F2 scope, so very capable of handling the long range shots.

Would love to hear your thoughts on this!

Stick with the 143gr ELD-x. I doubt that Utah deer are any tougher than Texas deer. My 6.5CM and the 143 gr ELD-x drops them right there.

 

[Rotten]

Anyone runny 6.5 staball in the 6.5 creed.

Well I'm editing the post…I just looked at the hodgens web site and found plenty of load data.

I don't own a 6.5 creedmoor so this is going off of my 25 creedmoor build. I had better performance with accurate 4350 powder than 6.5 staball.
I think 6.5 staball is better suited for the 30-06 than the creedmoor case. If you can find A-4350 try it. For some reason I've had very good groups and velocity with it in the 25 creedmoor with both 134 gr eldm and 133 berger hybrid bullets. It's supposed to be a powder for 30-06,270 sized cases but it does a lot better in the creedmoor case than the other's. Don't know why as it slower on the burn rate charts than Imr 4350.

 

[Marky_mark]

creedmoor = h4350
regardless of the caliber

 

[Rotten]

creedmoor = h4350
regardless of the caliber

H4350 works very good in the creedmoor but for me accurate 4350 did just a little bit better.

 

[Marky_mark]

H4350 works very good in the creedmoor but for me accurate 4350 did just a little bit better.

I'm guarantee it's not as temp stable or consistent