yobuck
Well-Known Member
Well it took awhile to **** the guy off, and my thanks to the few others willing to support that effort. Sometimes it takes getting ****ed off.
Assuming the guy was being truthfull with his level of experience, he for sure didn't need a shooting school. That money would have been better spent on ammo and its never too late for that.
As for the term spotter, I suppose it might need some clarifying. There are places, and quite frankly PA is one of them where pretty much all long range hunting is done with the aid of a spotter using good optics on a tripod. The spotter in reality runs the show, in that his job is informing the shooter as to where the last shot hit. So he would be saying things like (your shot went about a foot over his back, hold lower and shoot again.)
So if the spotter cant for whatever reason see the hits, then best to pack up and leave, because nothing good is apt to happen. So yes, in this instance especially, since the shooter might never have seen a hit due to the close distance, the spotter was at fault.
As for bang flop, they don't always flop after the bang, even with the big cartridges, which is another very good reason for having a good spotter.
The vast majority of posts in this extremely long thread have very little merit for a real world situation. Simply theory and opinion based on no actuall experience.
As for the shooting position, we all know that real men shoot from their bellies. lol
In PA, we don't have any real men, just wimps who cant handle much discomfort, so almost everybody shoots from some type small portable bench.
The bipod isn't the most popular item either.
I mean if your really serious about glassing and lobbing, its best to cheat any way you can.
But they probably don't teach those methods in the (ahem), higher education classes. lol
I will bore those still reading with a short story from 2 years ago involving my oldest son and his then 15 year old daughter. She had only 2 days to hunt due to school, so the plan was to leave late afternoon on the 2nd day for the 3.5 hour drive home. The idea was to hunt a location close to the camp, but when they arrived there it was occupied by other hunters.
So now with his initial plan shot down he headed up the dirt mountain road and came to another location he had never hunted before. Nobody was there, so he made 3 trips from the parked vehicle down the steep sidehill about 100' to the actuall location.
2 sets of big eyes and tripods, the bench, and the gun which was a 700 rem about 15# with a 30" hart and a custom stock in 7x300 Weatherby. When he got it all setup he realized he didn't have any rangefinder along. I had it in my coat pocket probably 20 miles away. So he figured were here and chances are we wont need it anyway. But within about 5 minits he picked up a legal buck laying down way out on the farthest point they could see. Not a good location as for multible shots, as a good jump or 2 would put him around the point and gone.
He decided to guess the distance long rather than short and maybe throw dirt on him. So he dialed the old 6.5x20 Leupold for 1000 yds. His daughter got behind the gun while he watched thru his twin 77mm Kowas as the shot sailed over the bucks back and hit high behind it just as he hoped, and allowed him to see it was good for windage. He got her off the gun, held the reticle on the shoulder and dialed to where he thought was the right spot above the deer which was now on its feet.
Second shot dropped the deer, but it got back up and hobbled off in his direction just a few yards with a front leg hit where it meets the body.
He told her where to hold and the 3rd shot killed the deer. Only a few minits had transpired in total.
So here we have a very young not very experienced shooter killing a deer at probably around 850, and how was that possible? Well it was possible for numerous reasons, but mainly because her 55 year old father, the spotter, had been doing it since he was 12, and the results of all that practice paid off.
Its not hard once you know how, and that comes with shooting at easy targets like rocks on hillsides with cartridges like 308s and learning how to use a scope.
Hand a mechanic some crude tools and you will get back a piece of art. Hand a novice the best tools you can buy and you will get back a pile of firewood for cooking lunch.
Sorry folks but thats just the way it is, and if that ****es some people off then so be it.
Assuming the guy was being truthfull with his level of experience, he for sure didn't need a shooting school. That money would have been better spent on ammo and its never too late for that.
As for the term spotter, I suppose it might need some clarifying. There are places, and quite frankly PA is one of them where pretty much all long range hunting is done with the aid of a spotter using good optics on a tripod. The spotter in reality runs the show, in that his job is informing the shooter as to where the last shot hit. So he would be saying things like (your shot went about a foot over his back, hold lower and shoot again.)
So if the spotter cant for whatever reason see the hits, then best to pack up and leave, because nothing good is apt to happen. So yes, in this instance especially, since the shooter might never have seen a hit due to the close distance, the spotter was at fault.
As for bang flop, they don't always flop after the bang, even with the big cartridges, which is another very good reason for having a good spotter.
The vast majority of posts in this extremely long thread have very little merit for a real world situation. Simply theory and opinion based on no actuall experience.
As for the shooting position, we all know that real men shoot from their bellies. lol
In PA, we don't have any real men, just wimps who cant handle much discomfort, so almost everybody shoots from some type small portable bench.
The bipod isn't the most popular item either.
I mean if your really serious about glassing and lobbing, its best to cheat any way you can.
But they probably don't teach those methods in the (ahem), higher education classes. lol
I will bore those still reading with a short story from 2 years ago involving my oldest son and his then 15 year old daughter. She had only 2 days to hunt due to school, so the plan was to leave late afternoon on the 2nd day for the 3.5 hour drive home. The idea was to hunt a location close to the camp, but when they arrived there it was occupied by other hunters.
So now with his initial plan shot down he headed up the dirt mountain road and came to another location he had never hunted before. Nobody was there, so he made 3 trips from the parked vehicle down the steep sidehill about 100' to the actuall location.
2 sets of big eyes and tripods, the bench, and the gun which was a 700 rem about 15# with a 30" hart and a custom stock in 7x300 Weatherby. When he got it all setup he realized he didn't have any rangefinder along. I had it in my coat pocket probably 20 miles away. So he figured were here and chances are we wont need it anyway. But within about 5 minits he picked up a legal buck laying down way out on the farthest point they could see. Not a good location as for multible shots, as a good jump or 2 would put him around the point and gone.
He decided to guess the distance long rather than short and maybe throw dirt on him. So he dialed the old 6.5x20 Leupold for 1000 yds. His daughter got behind the gun while he watched thru his twin 77mm Kowas as the shot sailed over the bucks back and hit high behind it just as he hoped, and allowed him to see it was good for windage. He got her off the gun, held the reticle on the shoulder and dialed to where he thought was the right spot above the deer which was now on its feet.
Second shot dropped the deer, but it got back up and hobbled off in his direction just a few yards with a front leg hit where it meets the body.
He told her where to hold and the 3rd shot killed the deer. Only a few minits had transpired in total.
So here we have a very young not very experienced shooter killing a deer at probably around 850, and how was that possible? Well it was possible for numerous reasons, but mainly because her 55 year old father, the spotter, had been doing it since he was 12, and the results of all that practice paid off.
Its not hard once you know how, and that comes with shooting at easy targets like rocks on hillsides with cartridges like 308s and learning how to use a scope.
Hand a mechanic some crude tools and you will get back a piece of art. Hand a novice the best tools you can buy and you will get back a pile of firewood for cooking lunch.
Sorry folks but thats just the way it is, and if that ****es some people off then so be it.
