What makes the 6.5 PRC special?

[highdrum]

Rich "torture" tested his 6.5SS ADG brass, loaded 20 times back to back and primer pockets were still good. Sounds to me like a better investment with that kind of case life. Who knows how many firings it will actually last.

ADG is coming out with 7 saum, 6.5 saum at shot show, I'm sure PRC will soon follow.

 

[can1010]

ADG is coming out with 7 saum, 6.5 saum at shot show, I'm sure PRC will soon follow.

ADG is testing 6.5 PRC for release at shot show. check the 6.5 PRC reloading tread on here

 

[Creedmoor shooter]

Rich "torture" tested his 6.5SS ADG brass, loaded 20 times back to back and primer pockets were still good. Sounds to me like a better investment with that kind of case life. Who knows how many firings it will actually last.

Wouldnt the same basically hold true for the rest of the adg line that doesnt cost that much? Again, not knocking the ss. It's a fantastic cartridge.

 

[highdrum]

Wouldnt the same basically hold true for the rest of the adg line that doesnt cost that much? Again, not knocking the ss. It's a fantastic cartridge.

Yes indeed. However costs of custom head stamp custom brass and lower sales volume drives price up for them to make profits. How many guys own Sherman short rifles, maybe 250 atm? How many guys own 6.5 & 7 saum? Thousands, they'll make their money on volume. The PRC has ZERO advantage over the 6.5 saum, you'll get 2 maybe 3 offerings on ammo from Hornady. Prime is going to have 140 Berger vld loaded in norma 6.5 saum on market very soon, copper creek also has ammo. I think it's funny that the freebore on PRC saami reamer is so long that nobody will ever get close to the lands in a short action. Fierce builds their PRC rifles in long action for that purpose. One again, good idea, poor execution. The 300 PRC also has a ton of freebore, so much that 3.7" aics mags are needed to get to lands with 230 Bergers. In a true short action rifle, nothing will run with a 6.5 Sherman short with bullets seated properly in neck.

 

[ruby76]

Wouldnt the same basically hold true for the rest of the adg line that doesnt cost that much? Again, not knocking the ss. It's a fantastic cartridge.

Absolutely. My comment is aimed more so at other brands of brass that may only last 5 or fewer firings in their respective cartridges. I didn't hesitate choosing a Sherman short due to cost of brass

 

[Kimber7man]

For those that doubt the 6.5 PRC will easily do over 3,000 with a 139 or 140 grain bullet, pay attention to what Pat Sinclair (scenarshooter) is doing over at 24hourcampfire.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/12992312/1/6-5-gap-4s-vs-6-5-prc

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/13226200/1

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/12917020/gap-6-5-prc#Post12917020

 

[MagnumManiac]

It special because it's the first commercially available Short Action short mag 6.5 cartridge, it's very good cartridge design, it has low recoil, it has reasonably priced readily available quality factory ammo unlike some older belted 6.5s

Is there other commercially available 6.5mm cartridges similar in performance....sure is, but some of them cartridges you can only find brass for them at an antique store !

If I had a 264 win mag I wouldn't sell it to get a 6.5 PRC but would certainly look at the benefits of that new design once the throat wears out in my overbore designed cartridge.

First cartridge of magnum size to be housed in a short action...........really?
Have you not heard of either the 6.5 Rem Mag or 350 Rem Mag cartridges?
Both came out in short action rifles.

Case design is NOT the only factor in how fast or slow the throat wears. Shoot a 222 hard and fast and get it hot and it won't last any longer r a high intensity cartridge does.
Throat length and design play a significant role in how it wears and what and how you load the cartridge. A 264WM SAAMI spec reamer has a zero leade, the entire portion with no rifling is .060" long, this was due to the original dual diameter bullet they used to bring pressure down. The better way is to run a parallel sided throat at .2645" at .220" long. The A191 style coned/tapered throat can also be utilised if desired, pressure is reduced even more.
The 'belted' 300WM has held so many target records both LR and ELR it's not funny...........yet it has a nasty belt on it.
I still run 300WM in F-Class where everyone else has gone WSM or SAUM. I get an additional 100-150fps over those other cases WITHOUT excessive pressure or ruined brass.
I also run a 264WM in F-Class.........why?
Because I can get 3200fps easily with Berger 140gr Hybrids. This is substantial, my 6.5x47 is lucky to get 2900fps with those pills in a 26" barrel. My 24" barreled 6.5x47 only gets 2850fps tops.

Just because a cartridge is NEW, doesn't mean it hasn't been done before. Just look at the old wildcat, now factory offered, 6.5-300 Weatherby.
That's been around since the early 60's.

Cheers.

P.S.
There is nothing special about the 6.5 PRC, it's just another cartridge to choose from.

 

[Deleted member 48126]

@MagnumManiac well said

 

[Weatherby Fan]

First cartridge of magnum size to be housed in a short action...........really?
Have you not heard of either the 6.5 Rem Mag or 350 Rem Mag cartridges?
Both came out in short action rifles.

Oh yeh forgot about those two, when's the last time you could buy a rifle chambered in the 6.5 RM off the shelf ?
On top of that brass is as rare as unicorns !

 

[Deleted member 103481]

I see you managed to leave out that "commercially available" bit... 6.5 rem mag was crippled by Remington from the start and never had a chance.

At least with a 6.5SS you're comparing the PRC to a handloading cartridge that's actually better than it is.

 

[highdrum]

Bertram offers both 6.5 rem and 350 rem for sale. Good luck finding ammo on a shelf, but you can roll your own.

 

[Deleted member 48126]

I see you managed to leave out that "commercially available" bit... 6.5 rem mag was crippled by Remington from the start and never had a chance.

At least with a 6.5SS you're comparing the PRC to a handloading cartridge that's actually better than it is.

What else is new? Remington ALWAYS does that. Makes some legitimately awesome rounds, produces crap ammo for it, and then tosses it to the side when it's not exploding in profit. The .338 RUM could've put the Lapua and Norma mag out of business. But nope, stop making ammo, stopped supplying quality brass. Same for the .260 and here we are with the creedmoor and the PRC. Not complaining about those rounds, though. Hornady learned from Remington with its marketing campaign.

 

[MagnumManiac]

I see you managed to leave out that "commercially available" bit... 6.5 rem mag was crippled by Remington from the start and never had a chance.

At least with a 6.5SS you're comparing the PRC to a handloading cartridge that's actually better than it is.

Commercially available in regard to what?
Belted brass is readily available, those that cannot find brass or ammo ALWAYS find a way.
I have formed 338WM, 7RM AND 270 Weatherby into 264WM when brass has been difficult to get. I even formed 300WM into 270 Weatherby when the price of Norma cases tripled over night here in Australia thanks to a new importer that was only interested in lining their own pockets. Basic belted cases are available to form into whatever your heart desires..........so commercially available is moot, unless of course you don't handload, but who wouldn't with rare cases anyway. A reamer is only a phone call away too.

Cheers.

P.S.
In rifle cartridges, there is virtually nothing new under the sun, it has ALL been done long ago.

 

[MagnumManiac]

There have only been 2 commercial success stories for cartridges with Remington in their names, that were designed by them, the 222 Remington and 223 Remington. All the others they have put forward were well established wildcats, they are in order of release; the 7RM (1962), the 22-250 (1963) and the 25-06 (1969), the 280 Rem (1957) offered in pumps only, which was their first foray into confusion switching the name to 7mm Remington Express was a failure, the 260 Rem (1997) has still not found a great following, and the list goes on.
Every other cartridge they have designed THEMSELVES, other than those based on the 222 case have not done well.

So again, the PRC will do nothing an existing cartridge already does, just as the Creedmoor does nothing that the Lapua or 260 Rem can do.

Cheers.