BountyHunter
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If you'll carefully study what the OCW method is designed to accomplish, it is simply this: Three ladder tests, fired in round-robin fashion. And that's it. It has a significant statistical advantage over the results of a single ladder test, which I explain more in depth here-->
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Dan
That is totally incorrect. OCW is not three ladders in round robin. It is at best three half ladders with 50% data. 3 times 50% data does not equal better than 100% or even 90% data.
OCW does not use a chrono but simply relies on a repeated "coincidental POI". A true ladder uses a chrono to spot the tuning nodes of similar MVs which exist with a node, ALONG with the coincidental POIs. I might get a POI without the similar MV closeness and therefore I would normally skip that node or at best repeat that short string to confirm no node. That is a very fundamental difference and that does not make OCW remotely close to firing 3 complete ladders.
OCW is based on correcting issues or problems with the ladder technique as you understand it. Therefore it ASSUMES that you fire the ladder in bad conditions and make a bad shot, therefore the need to fire three groups of everything. OCW assumes that fouling with dramatically effect POI but matches are normally shot with as much as 80-120 plus shots w/o cleaning and zero loss of extreme accuracy. So I am not worried about 30-35 shots with zero and a ladder. So that is a false issue unless your barrel as pits or occlusions which is a whole different issue. I know when I make a bad shot and I never test LR in windy conditions, as that is dumb to test in those conditions.
A ladder will normally go 15-25 shots and ID 2-4 nodes. I have never seen any pics of OCW going over 6-8 intervals max and somehow a node is always found. Now is it really a node or is it the tail end or start of a real node? Is it the best node? Is it the node at the desired MV range (w/o chrono cannot tell and OCW does not use chrono). OCW cannot really answer those questions while a real ladder and chrono will answer them.
Bottom line is no way OCW is a super repeated ladder w/o a chrono. It is at best a repeated half ladder and waste of bullets and powder for accuracy that is consistent at the extreme levels. It is based on a bunch of false issues or lack of common sense and that is not how I want to go into my load development.
BH
If you'll carefully study what the OCW method is designed to accomplish, it is simply this: Three ladder tests, fired in round-robin fashion. And that's it. It has a significant statistical advantage over the results of a single ladder test, which I explain more in depth here-->
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Dan
That is totally incorrect. OCW is not three ladders in round robin. It is at best three half ladders with 50% data. 3 times 50% data does not equal better than 100% or even 90% data.
OCW does not use a chrono but simply relies on a repeated "coincidental POI". A true ladder uses a chrono to spot the tuning nodes of similar MVs which exist with a node, ALONG with the coincidental POIs. I might get a POI without the similar MV closeness and therefore I would normally skip that node or at best repeat that short string to confirm no node. That is a very fundamental difference and that does not make OCW remotely close to firing 3 complete ladders.
OCW is based on correcting issues or problems with the ladder technique as you understand it. Therefore it ASSUMES that you fire the ladder in bad conditions and make a bad shot, therefore the need to fire three groups of everything. OCW assumes that fouling with dramatically effect POI but matches are normally shot with as much as 80-120 plus shots w/o cleaning and zero loss of extreme accuracy. So I am not worried about 30-35 shots with zero and a ladder. So that is a false issue unless your barrel as pits or occlusions which is a whole different issue. I know when I make a bad shot and I never test LR in windy conditions, as that is dumb to test in those conditions.
A ladder will normally go 15-25 shots and ID 2-4 nodes. I have never seen any pics of OCW going over 6-8 intervals max and somehow a node is always found. Now is it really a node or is it the tail end or start of a real node? Is it the best node? Is it the node at the desired MV range (w/o chrono cannot tell and OCW does not use chrono). OCW cannot really answer those questions while a real ladder and chrono will answer them.
Bottom line is no way OCW is a super repeated ladder w/o a chrono. It is at best a repeated half ladder and waste of bullets and powder for accuracy that is consistent at the extreme levels. It is based on a bunch of false issues or lack of common sense and that is not how I want to go into my load development.
BH
