Was the 6.5 cm really a necessity?

[Creedmoor shooter]

The 7mm 160 SGK's I was shooting were explosive (not controlled explosive, like Bergers), causing massive meat loss to the deer I shot. After several deer with the same results, I stopped shooting them all together, and went with 160 Accubonds, which I then also strayed from to go to Bergers. And have been happy since.

Good to know. I just didnt know if it was a consistency or an accuracy issue. The 197 smk looks like it will be a good bullet for long range. I'm planning on trying it in my new 7mm build and the 150 smk in my 6.5. They seem to act very similar to bergers

 

[lee31]

I referred back to the title of this thread for a moment......And recognized something in myself - and likely other like minded hunters/shooters: Almost NOTHING use today is a "necessity"....But it is about "wants"....
But - just as I would never want to go back to clutching to shift gears

Manually shifting gears is much more fun than driving a automatic!!!

 

[Vortex!]

I don't have a 6.5 Creed because I don't need one and I don't do the latest craze or fads. Not saying it's not a good round but I just can't justify buying one.

 

[WildRose]

One thing we have not mentioned here, a lack of smart decision making on the consumer. We are all kicking Remington for improper marketing, support, twist rates, and I agree with all those remarks. Lack of support and poor decision making by big green is the biggest factor in making some of their calibers less popular than by all rights they should have been. However as good as most on here are saying some of the lesser commercially successful cartridges were, the consumer should have stepped up regardless of slick naming etc. The internet and research capabilities was there for the .260 and some others. I just think that we, the ultimate end user also share a portion of the blame.

The press did it's job as did the internet with respect to the .260 rem. It was the 'hottest thing out there" in the 6.5's for a long time.

Remington blew it all on their own.

 

[WildRose]

So you shoot almost 400 rounds a day, every day of the year, rain or shine, holiday or workday, weekend, etc...?

I also have a hard time believing that a 6mm will outlast a 6.5mm, based the concentration of a hotter flame inside a .5mm smaller more... Physics says it's impossible, unless the 6.5mm has more powder than the 6mm's case you're comparing it to.

Higher pressures equal higher temperatures, it simply doesn't add up.

Barrel wear isn't measured down the tube it's measured by throat erosion which has zero to do with the bearing surface of the bullet.

 

[WildRose]

Your a Hornady guy. That pretty much sums up this conversation. While your on the phone with them next time ask how many jackets they buy from us. Lol

You shoulda quit before you started.

 

[WildRose]

Que sierrá, sierrá
Whatever will be, will be
The future's not ours to see
Que sierrá, sierrá
What will be, will be

Sorry Sierra, I couldn't resist.

Shame on you. I hurt myself.

 

[WildRose]

These values are very close to mine and other shooters actual experience shooting PRS. This is summer temps, and long strings that result in hot barrels. Bullet weight/velocity, and/or attention to barrel heat can influence these values. I have seen my buddy's 6mm variants(6XC, 6mmCM) show throat erosion of +.030" between 800 and 1400 rounds. My current 6.5x47 Kreiger is at 1500 rounds. No measurable throat erosion with <.25MOA precision. I'm hoping for another 7-10 matches(70-100 rounds/Match) before barrel replacement. We had a team of Ruger employees shooting a PRS Match last year. They said that the average barrel life, indicated by a .5MOA loss of precision averaged 2200 rounds with the 6.5 CM in their rifles running 140gr at 2700FPS.

And those are results for match shooters. The average hunter who's smart enough to never shoot a gun hot will extend that life by half again with reasonable care and maintenance.

I have an STW closing in on 2000 rounds that my smith after borescoping it told me probably had over half it's life left based on the condition of the throat.

 

[Cold Trigger Finger]

I'm amazed this thread made it to this many pages.
I do wish people would stop already with the shiny new fad stuff.
When I bought my 6.5 Creedmoor , it was relatively new. That was back when O bummer got fanagled into office the 2nd time. Still shooting the same barrel. Still shoots much better than I can. Still ! .

 

[FEENIX]

Shame on you. I hurt myself.

My bad!

 

[dmoon]

"The measure of intelligence is the ability to change."
― Albert Einstein

"Your assumptions are your windows on the world. Scrub them off every once in a while, or the light won't come in."
― Isaac Asimov

"It is never too late to give up your prejudices"
― Henry David Thoreau

 

[FEENIX]

"The measure of intelligence is the ability to change."
― Albert Einstein

"Your assumptions are your windows on the world. Scrub them off every once in a while, or the light won't come in."
― Isaac Asimov

"It is never too late to give up your prejudices"
― Henry David Thoreau

I agree! Humans have the natural reluctance to change and is a primary barrier of learning, creativity, innovations, etc.

 

[ColoradoRancher]

I just now paid closer attention to the actual line of this thread "Was the 6.5 cm really a necessity?" Actually the answer is NO! To my knowledge there is no 6.5 Centimeter cartridge as of yet, and I certainly would not want to shoot it. I value my shoulder too much. All this time we have posted on what the OP intended, the 6.5mm instead of the 6.5cm he actually posted LOL.

 

[Hatrick]

I just now paid closer attention to the actual line of this thread "Was the 6.5 cm really a necessity?" Actually the answer is NO! To my knowledge there is no 6.5 Centimeter cartridge as of yet, and I certainly would not want to shoot it. I value my shoulder too much. All this time we have posted on what the OP intended, the 6.5mm instead of the 6.5cm he actually posted LOL.

Good catch! cm= Creedmoor