Ok so first off, I do think the message in the original post has been grossly misunderstood and misinterpreted. I'm going to do my best to simply add some counter arguments to the following quotes and try not to add any condescending tone to it, because I truly am not trying to be condescending and I do not feel superior to anyone here. It's just counter arguments is all.
Everyone has an opinion, good, bad and ugly. State it and move on. Its when that opinion becomes a freaking "crusade" to "prove", "convince", "defend", and "belittle" if it is 180° from yours is when the crap hits the fan. Stop the crusades and life will be better for all. If a product doesn't work for you, make your own decisions to find another product. You want a better product? Find one and move on. You want a product made differently? Invest and risk your total life assets on a business plan and work your butt off to make that product work and bring it to market. If you don't have a financial oar in the water, you don't have a say on how any product must be made.
So my counter here is that many times the "opinion" stated is a concern or a perceived issue with the product. I really don't think anyone is on a crusade to point out those things (I could be wrong). I think it's simply your opinion and perception that it's a crusade based on your attachment to the product. And this isn't meant to be directed just at you, Muddy, so my apologies. It's meant for anyone sharing a similar perception as you, so "you" is more so meant as those who this applies to. On the flip side, I think those with your similar perception could be viewed as on a crusade to discredit and dismiss any perceived criticisms and concerns, yes? It can certainly go both ways. I do understand your perception and I understand how it forms and why. I'm also not saying I think you or anyone else in particular is actually on a crusade against those with anything perceived as negative about Hammer. I'm just making a point.
I also think, with respect, it's unfair and unacceptable to say that if a product doesn't work for you that you should simply move on. If there's room for improvement or you think there's a serious issue worth addressing and hopefully get fixed for the betterment of everyone that uses it, wouldn't that be worth mentioning and pushing for? A person is really just supposed to be like, "oh well, I'll just use something else. Sucks to be the next guy"? It's a serious question and again I'm not trying to be a jerk here. I'm quite calm as I type this and am just trying to make my point.
I also think it's unrealistic and infeasible to expect anyone to have to go make their own product if they don't like the ones available. To a certain degree, sure, but if someone is just trying to see the current product be improved, that should be acceptable. I do get that it would be more acceptable to expect someone to do that if they truly just hated everything about the product and had no hope in it being fixed to their liking. Yes, those guys should think about doing it themselves then. I just don't think many of the guys getting labeled as anti Hammer are in that category. Perhaps when there are the onsies and twosies that just want to absolutely hate on Hammer pop up and spout off, it just makes it seem like everyone is like that guy but that guy is just the only one making it blatantly obvious? Maybe it's a subconscious thing like that?
I am comfortable with my own beliefs and decisions. I do not need to convince anyone. It's right for me and I don't care if anyone agrees or not.
I hope we can sit back and enjoy whatever we choose to do instead of the vitriol that seems to becoming more and more prevalent on ALL forums
I take this as you perceive people are trying to flat out say not to use Hammer Bullets. Is that what you're saying or how you feel? That it's more so people just not liking Hammers and trying to convince others not to use them? I get a lot of the responses if that's the case, but I will counter that saying I don't see it that way. I see it as it started out with people just stating their concerns and what they see as an issue or potential issue, and that has been met with resistance and all of that has evolved to where we are now.
I for one have no issue with Hammer existing and being successful. I have no issue with anyone deciding to use Hammers and continuing to use them. There are indeed TONS of success stories out there from guys using them, and there will be tons more. I know that. I'll never dispute that. When they work as designed, they do great. I've never once said it's a junk bullet and will never work well. I can't speak for everyone though and I know I have indeed seen some that have said such things, unfortunately, that seem to be less open to seeing the good potential.
I truly think a lot of the problem has been just a complete misunderstanding of where guys are coming from and their true intent. There's too much personal attachment and offense is taken when it seems like someone is talking bad about your prized item.
All that said, I do appreciate you sharing that, Muddy. I appreciate your perspective and it's nice seeing a post that better addresses the original post. Thank you.
