Trying to outshoot 7.62 X 39 with .223

[crazymonkey]

You can't explain, otherwise you would.

So your comparison is flawed due to many mistakes and various variables. First most gun makers have a 1 moa . That's easy to get at 100yds . Your 7.62 is shooting mill surplus most are 120 something grain ammo it can very. But it's designed for the rifling in most guns and will shoot. The 223 is not standard and there are many twist rates and bullets for them . Most are 1.7/ 1.8/ or1.9 each has a different purpose. The bullets need the correct twist and powder to shoot accurate. Your using the incorrect powder and weight. You also have scope power variables that will effect shot placement . So yes I can explain you just don't understand.

 

[Pureblood]

Well you stated the cz shot 2.5 moa, so that is over 1 moa by 2.5 times! Nothing was mentioned about it being moa until you were called out on it. Also I cant speak for him but pretty sure he wasnt calling the gun faulty!

Your powers of observation are outstanding.

 

[Dozer83]

You should try it sometime!

 

[Pureblood]

So your comparison is flawed due to many mistakes and various variables. First most gun makers have a 1 moa . That's easy to get at 100yds . Your 7.62 is shooting mill surplus most are 120 something grain ammo it can very. But it's designed for the rifling in most guns and will shoot. The 223 is not standard and there are many twist rates and bullets for them . Most are 1.7/ 1.8/ or1.9 each has a different purpose. The bullets need the correct twist and powder to shoot accurate. Your using the incorrect powder and weight. You also have scope power variables that will effect shot placement . So yes I can explain you just don't understand.

Grizzman 47 is the only contributor to this thread who gets it.

 

[crazymonkey]

You should try it sometime!

Somehow I see this and the post about shooting into space making the funny section its truly comical

 

[jamie eaton]

You guys are just fanning flames . I for one am building a new bench so I can shoot around the moon with my awesome 10/22 . I got some surplus 50 bmg ammo I will pull apart and sprinkle over my rimfire . that ought to GITERDONE ! Back to humor section I

 

[heat_and_fam]

Plenty of articles all of the internet, for free, on proper load development. Please give one a read before you burn through all of the powder in Canada throwing spaghetti at the wall and hoping it sticks.

 

[Pureblood]

Plenty of articles all of the internet, for free, on proper load development. Please give one a read before you burn through all of the powder in Canada throwing spaghetti at the wall and hoping it sticks.

I have seen many online articles explaining various ways to get .223 to shoot really good groups, nearly all give differing advise. I took the centerground advise with loads for various bullet weights with the powder I had, hence the charges I used in my first attempt. Now I shall work up my own loads. I expect to be able to complete my experiment using a maximum of one pound of powder

Is it likely that any of the you articles you mention might show how I could manage to get X39 loads shoot 1/2 MOA, without any load development ?

 

[Darryle]

First off, the manufacturer says 1.5 MOA on your 556 NATO Bison, 8 twist 16.5" barrel. That rifle has a Trigger Tech, so, if it doesn't shoot as promised, it's one of two things, it doesn't like the load or it's the shooter.

The advice you received and will ignore was to shoot heavier bullets. You also claim to not know anything, which I find to be a bald face lie.

You and your type are the very reason people have a bad perception of hunters and shooters, you want to be an idiot, don't drag others into the fray. Pontificate to your hearts content, just do it silently in the corner so as not to attract attention of window likkers.

Back to your idiocy.

 

[heat_and_fam]

Is it likely that any of the you articles you mention might show how I could manage to get X39 loads shoot 1/2 MOA, without any load development ?

Beginners luck.

Whats the SD on it, 100 yard groups don't always translate to 1000 yard groups. You can do things the hard way if you like. But there is plenty of good advise on this site for working up loads. I've never had a hand load NOT shoot sub 1/2moa. but I follow traditional load development and brass/bullet prep techniques. You seem to just close your eyes and point. Just got one done yesterday on a 6mm that's shooting .25 across 4gr charge weight with a single digit ES, at the start it was shooting 1.25" at 200 yds…but what do I know.

Also if you're going to pretend you're serious about analyzing loads, at a minimum please get yourself a rear bag and a bipod. Maybe a chrono as well.

 

[Grizzman47]

You might not know the barrel's twist rate, but it is quite easy to determine. It should be specified on the product website from the manufacturer. If it's not there, then it can be measured with a tight fitting jag/patch in a cleaning rod.

If it's 1:7, then 40 grain bullets aren't a traditionally good choice, but that doesn't mean they absolutely won't work. For these short bullets, H322, H335, AA 2230, Benchmark, TAC would all be appropriate.

What's your recipe for the 69s?

 

[crazymonkey]

I have seen many online articles explaining various ways to get .223 to shoot really good groups, nearly all give differing advise. I took the centerground advise with loads for various bullet weights with the powder I had, hence the charges I used in my first attempt. Now I shall work up my own loads. I expect to be able to complete my experiment using a maximum of one pound of powder

Is it likely that any of the you articles you mention might show how I could manage to get X39 loads shoot 1/2 MOA, without any load development ?

You've got to be kidding? A pound of powder on a 223 platform for load development. That's some funny stuff. How about a bullet in the 55 to 69 gr weight then take the time to read a loading manual ( it's got recommended powder and twist used for testing) then do a simple ladder test . Probably figure it out in say just a few rounds. My 223 all shoot different gr weight bullets but they all shoot way better than what your posting. I can get my Contender pistol to shoot circles around the group your getting. It pays to know what your twist rate is and how to load for it.

 

[Pureblood]

First off, the manufacturer says 1.5 MOA on your 556 NATO Bison, 8 twist 16.5" barrel. That rifle has a Trigger Tech, so, if it doesn't shoot as promised, it's one of two things, it doesn't like the load or it's the shooter.

The advice you received and will ignore was to shoot heavier bullets. You also claim to not know anything, which I find to be a bald face lie.

You and your type are the very reason people have a bad perception of hunters and shooters, you want to be an idiot, don't drag others into the fray. Pontificate to your hearts content, just do it silently in the corner so as not to attract attention of window likkers.

Back to your idiocy.

I have already shown twice that the BCL Bison will shoot 1 MOA with 40 grain loads, Nosler Trophy grade, and my home loads using Hornady V Max bullets . I want to improve on that by half an inch, that's why I am trying heavier loads. If you had taken the time to read the thread you would know that.

The thing I do not claim know is how I can shoot far better groups with a WK 181 and no load development than I can with a CZ 527.

If you want to be seen as a merchant banker then carry on, you are obviously an expert.

 

[Pureblood]

You might not know the barrel's twist rate, but it is quite easy to determine. It should be specified on the product website from the manufacturer. If it's not there, then it can be measured with a tight fitting jag/patch in a cleaning rod.

If it's 1:7, then 40 grain bullets aren't a traditionally good choice, but that doesn't mean they absolutely won't work. For these short bullets, H322, H335, AA 2230, Benchmark, TAC would all be appropriate.

What's your recipe for the 69s?

I don't have a recipe for the 69's yet but I'm working on it.