True up, Rebarrel Rem 700 or Trade for Savage

[Shane1]

And I'm sure there was no hand picking those guns for a savage sponsored shooting team. They could be full blown customs and we'd never know. Savage wants to sale more guns what better way then win a world comp and tell the public that they can too with a box stock gun.at the very least they tested many and hand picked the most accurate of the bunch. Exception not the average. I've owned many savages, I want to like them but between the hideous bolt, horrid fouling and weird trigger I can't. For those that can get past that, throw a custom barrel on and you'd have a decent accurate gun that could shoot with everything else but why deal with that nasty bolt and weird trigger when you could have a trued, smooth rem that's better looking and shoots just as good. The op already has the rem, I say keep it re-barrel and you'll thank me later.

 

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[Shane1]

Whoopty. This isn't an out of the box accuracy discussion. It's trade for savage or true and re-barrel a Remington. A trued rem with custom barrel is a no brainer. If you happen to like savage more power to ya. I've had many savages. They shoot good. Have all fouled terribly. Clean bore to fouled bore poa poi has always been moa+ off. Accuracy falls off fast from fouling as in 20-30 shots. Custom barrels I own go over 100 with no accuracy loss. Clean to fouled poi poa is within 1/2 moa. If it's a hunting gun it won't matter much if you don't mind cold bore shots being wild. If you don't mind the sloppy stiff clunky bolt and toy trigger they're great. They make fantastic starter guns.
When your ready to experience the finer things in life do yourself a favor and shoot a custom or trued Rem with custom barrel.
The last savage I own lrp 6.5 creed has shot a couple groups close to 1/4 moa. It also throws shots around 2 moa when it's clean for the first 5 then settles in for about 20 shots before opening back up to 1 moa+ from hideous copper fouling. Accurate as hell sometimes but inconsistent as you can get. For me I kinda like knowing I'll hit what I'm aiming at anytime, clean or dirty, cold or hot. I've never had that from any savage I've owned. Custom guns yes, re-barreled Remington yes. Can you get that from re-barreled savage probably but your still left with that nasty bolt and toy trigger.
Keep the Remington true it up and re-barrel it.

 

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Whoopty. This isn't an out of the box accuracy discussion. It's trade for savage or true and re-barrel a Remington. A trued rem with custom barrel is a no brainer. If you happen to like savage more power to ya. I've had many savages. They shoot good. Have all fouled terribly. Clean bore to fouled bore poa poi has always been moa+ off. Accuracy falls off fast from fouling as in 20-30 shots. Custom barrels I own go over 100 with no accuracy loss. Clean to fouled poi poa is within 1/2 moa. If it's a hunting gun it won't matter much if you don't mind cold bore shots being wild. If you don't mind the sloppy stiff clunky bolt and toy trigger they're great. They make fantastic starter guns.
When your ready to experience the finer things in life do yourself a favor and shoot a custom or trued Rem with custom barrel.
The last savage I own lrp 6.5 creed has shot a couple groups close to 1/4 moa. It also throws shots around 2 moa when it's clean for the first 5 then settles in for about 20 shots before opening back up to 1 moa+ from hideous copper fouling. Accurate as hell sometimes but inconsistent as you can get. For me I kinda like knowing I'll hit what I'm aiming at anytime, clean or dirty, cold or hot. I've never had that from any savage I've owned. Custom guns yes, re-barreled Remington yes. Can you get that from re-barreled savage probably but your still left with that nasty bolt and toy trigger.
Keep the Remington true it up and re-barrel it.

DUH! It's a two part choice the OP has to make as you noted above.

GEEZ! Must have hit a nerve or somethin'!

 

[Trickymissfit]

I have a bone stock 700 5R .308 and this afternoon at the range I shot a .313" 3-shot group... Pretty strong for something that "won't run with a Savage out of the box"...

real world shooting is five shots. I've shot bug groups with three shots.
gary

 

[Trickymissfit]

And I'm sure there was no hand picking those guns for a savage sponsored shooting team. They could be full blown customs and we'd never know. Savage wants to sale more guns what better way then win a world comp and tell the public that they can too with a box stock gun.at the very least they tested many and hand picked the most accurate of the bunch. Exception not the average. I've owned many savages, I want to like them but between the hideous bolt, horrid fouling and weird trigger I can't. For those that can get past that, throw a custom barrel on and you'd have a decent accurate gun that could shoot with everything else but why deal with that nasty bolt and weird trigger when you could have a trued, smooth rem that's better looking and shoots just as good. The op already has the rem, I say keep it re-barrel and you'll thank me later.

your dead wrong. The Savage F Class team uses standard production F Class Savages. But alas the standard Savage action is much straighter than the factory 700 action. Most I've checked come in at a about .0017" compound error. A typical Remington will be closer to .010" and with threads that are not strait. The savage threads are cut on the lathe that turns the action. Barrel quality is not even remotely close between the two. One looks like it was cut with a chisel. Kind of a moot point as both barrels need to be changed anyway.

So if you take a good look at the factory bench shoots you will soon learn what the Savage line is. They tend to rule factory bench rest. And that's with their better rifles being banned in most clubs (long range series) The Remington 40X is also banned, but nothing else (could it be the good ole boys in action?)
gary

 

[Deleted member 48126]

This photo is of a remington 700 SPS tactical with a jewel trigger and a B&C stock. Nothing done to the action or barrel. 3x3 shot groups at a 100 yards, off a bipod, as I was toying with my turrets. The ammo was factory 168 grain Winchester ballistic silver tips. The barrel is a factory rem 1:10 twist (unsure of the contour larger than sporter). Also 3 or 5 shot groups isn't real world, it's one shot

 

[Deleted member 48126]

The photo posted side ways.

 

[Shane1]

your dead wrong. The Savage F Class team uses standard production F Class Savages. But alas the standard Savage action is much straighter than the factory 700 action. Most I've checked come in at a about .0017" compound error. A typical Remington will be closer to .010" and with threads that are not strait. The savage threads are cut on the lathe that turns the action. Barrel quality is not even remotely close between the two. One looks like it was cut with a chisel. Kind of a moot point as both barrels need to be changed anyway.

So if you take a good look at the factory bench shoots you will soon learn what the Savage line is. They tend to rule factory bench rest. And that's with their better rifles being banned in most clubs (long range series) The Remington 40X is also banned, but nothing else (could it be the good ole boys in action?)
gary

Dead wrong about them having custom barrel probably, about hand picking the best they can find doubt it.
I have one of their better line rifles a long range precision now in 6.5 creed. Had 2 model 12 lrpv's and 3 model 12 vlp's. Model 10 308 from their police line. All hand chiseled copper fouling monsters. They all shot decent after fouling the clean bore till they filled with copper.all had nasty loose rough bolts.
If the op or anyone else for that matter is truing the action what does it matter how straight they are from the factory.I've seen chisel barrels from both makes. If I had a choice between stock savage or trued action custom barreled Remington that's a pretty easy pick. If he wanted a custom barreled gun on budget then the savage wins if he doesn't mind bolt fit and feel.if he wanted a custom barreled gun that felt like a custom gun he'd have to ditch the savage and go back to rem, custom or some other make of action. Maybe their FT/R or other guns from their target line are great I've never shot one or been interested in a 30" barreled gun. I'm not knocking savage some people shoot them well. They've always felt wrong for me, sloppy stiff bolt, accutrigger doesn't jive with my finger. All of them I've owned have copper fouled terrible and clean cold bore is way off poa from fouled bore. Every custom or trued re-barreled 700 does not. I wish they worked for me it would save a bunch of money in action trueing/re-barreling expense.

 

[Truc]

I won a rifle at a local Fire Department raffle two yrs ago, I decided on taking a Savage 7MM Rem Mag. I picked it up two days later from the dealer and decided to clean it before firing. The cleaning rod went down about halfway down and stopped, I smacked it real hard and a large clump of rust dropped out the end of the barrel. Packed it up and took it back rust and all.
My most accurate factory rifle was a 350 Rem Mag Model 7, with a 2x7 Leupold on it, it would shoot in the .3's with 200 gr Hornadys and 225 Sierras in the same group for a 4 shot group. Still have a pic of that group.
Other guys standing around could not believe it especially the way it would recoil after each shot.

 

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Was planning on taking my .243 VLS and having it trued and rebarreled to a .260 rem.

But my sons .308 model 10 Savage shoots so well that I've started thinking maybe if I should trade the Remington for a Savage .260 and go from there?

What do you all think?

Your sons had it figured out. lightbulb

 

[MudRunner2005]

real world shooting is five shots. I've shot bug groups with three shots.
gary

Well excuse me for it not being up to your "professional" standards.....

You still don't have to be a ***** about it.

But you know what....Lets see you do it 24 times in a row, no breaks, hot-lap, in under 1.3" once you subtract the bullet diameter.

1.286" with a 100% factory 700 5R .308, with a cheap scope and TPS rings and an EGW base.

 

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[Deleted member 46119]

I don't understand this word "trade". Do you mean as in re-home a rifle to bring a new one into the house?

Why would you do that?

Seriously, I've regretted selling the one gun I ever did.

Just add a 260 Savage to the family and kick some buck.

The are not like animals, they never die, you don't have to feed them or take them to dinner and a movie but you get to fondle them when no one is looking.