Thoughts on when the heck components will be back?

[StumpGrinder]

So what is the answer for the hoarders and flippers? You make it sound like they shouldn't be allowed to do their thing.

Having the right to do something and being a nice thing to do are not always the same thing. In my state I can kill 6 deer per season. But my wife and I can only eat 2 per year so unless I have someone to give some to, I only shot what we need. I understand that buying up all the ammo or powder in an area can be an investment like buying gold or silver low and selling high. However if I buy silver when it is low and sell when it goes up, I'm not hurting or taking advantage of others. Can the same be said of ammo and reloading supplies? Or food and toilet paper? Things that are deemed essential should not be subject to price gouging, and guns and ammo have been deemed as essential. Do I have the right? Yes, absolutely, but I wouldn't feel very good about myself if I treated others this way. I try to live by the Golden Rule. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. If I corners the market on toilet paper and the sold it to you for $10 per roll, would you thank me for my service or curse me??? I think it should be against the law to profit from the misery of others!!!

 

[Montana'eer]

I have always like using Remington 7 1/2 primers. But with the breakup of Remington I wonder how long the new owners of the different sections will take to get back up in production.

Third time in same thread-

Vista has brought Remington's ammunition production line back on line- 02/21/21 https://www.forbes.com/sites/aarons...ngs-remington-factory-online/?sh=641c6b4e7f87

 

[StumpGrinder]

You're probably right, I myself passed on the powder only because I have some. Left it for someone who needs it. This is what it's going to take for things to get back to normal.

Absolutely right, this is what I do also.

 

[Montana'eer]

I was watching the news last night and apparently there is this 'thing' to check your camera for the last picture you took before the pandemic lock downs began.

Well- here's mine, lol

I remember vividly when the crap show started in WA state- I told my wife "I'm going to buy some reloading supplies, because I'm sure there is going to be panic buying coming soon".

Yup. I was about 30 days ahead of the curve, lol.

 

[StumpGrinder]

Except if people stopped paying $100/lb for powder then the scalpers would be forced to lower their prices. Supply of "popular" powders (h1000, Retumbo, n570, rl26, etc) has been slim to none for many years and was never listed at $100+/lb until recently due to stupid people paying stupid prices.

Obama said something that most people missed and may have been the only smart thing he ever said. He told the media that we are a CONSUMER DRIVEN ECONOMY. What tha means is, they can't sell it if we won't buy it!!! The reverse is also true, as long as the public are willing to pay high prices the price will stay high! When people refuse to pay high prices, demand goes down, supply gets over stocked and prices come down. This is the basic economics of supply and demand and we the consumer are half of that equation.

 

[Jim’s Hunt]

I don't know about you guys but I cant find anything for reloading. For a while I could find a few items at small town stores. But now nothing. The gun shows I found a few 50 rd packs of primers they wanted 45$ for a 50 pack. Anyone know of a source for 6.5 PRC cases? When do you think they will start catching up?

A 50 pack??? How are they doing that trick. I would touch those if they were $2.00 a pack. To me they have been tampered with. The guy selling them is a crooked penis wrinkle and anyone buying them is a moron

 

[StumpGrinder]

I don't know about you guys but I cant find anything for reloading. For a while I could find a few items at small town stores. But now nothing. The gun shows I found a few 50 rd packs of primers they wanted 45$ for a 50 pack. Anyone know of a source for 6.5 PRC cases? When do you think they will start catching up?

This is why I shoot stuff that has a common parent case. I shoot 308 and 243. If out of brass for one I can re form to the other. Same with my 338 win mag. I have a friend that gives me his 300 win mag brass. One time through the old 338 die and trim, and presto!!! I haven't tried with 308 and 243 because I still have plenty of both but you get the drift. Might would have to go 7-08 first.

 

[Muddyboots]

Interesting discussion if you throw in ammunition and firearms are considered "essential" during emergencies so if that is truly the case, how is buying up to resell at inflated prices and different than doing the same with TP? Water? Food supplies?

 

[earl1704]

I am 61 years old, I have seen 'shortages' for 40 years now. All the excuses for not meeting supply demand I have been hearing for at least 40 years. It's was, new people getting into the sport buying all the supplies, we bought components for making bullets, powder etc.. from China and China was not sending components to us. We asked why companies don't ramp up production? Companies said that by the time they ramped up supplies would be back to normal. Note that is what they were saying 30 YEARS AGO, and they (companies) are saying the same thing today. They are reasoning that most people have not heard these excuses and simply 'buy in' to the same old tired excuses. Most well run companies would fire underperforming management and replace them with new blood who would find ways to build new supply chains and service their customers. What is going on is poor management, plain and simple.
I have seen these supply shortages for many years, I buy a brick of primers and several boxes of bullets and 8 lb. jug of power at a time. I buy 500 round box of 55 gr. BlitzKing bullets at a time and wish I had bought another box at the time. 2000 9mm bullets, I bought all my supplies over the years as they showed up on the shelf and supplies were easy to get.
I am not a hoarder, I buy only for myself, and I buy only what I personally reload. My advice to one and all is to stock up a little at a time when supplies become availably. If you want to avoid these shortages and shoot as you please not as the market will allow you, stock up on what you need over the years and I mean years, a box of primers and few rounds of bullets here and there. Figure out how much you shoot a particular round a year and stock up for a two or three year drought of components.
I shoot around 1000 rounds plus per year so I have what I need to hopefully ride out this particular shortage.
This is bad management on the companies who supply us, they know we really cant go anywhere else for supplies so they are arrogant about dealing with their customer. Think about it, I want to spend money in your store and your answer is NO! Really?
All the reasons/excuses are the same as 30 plus years ago.............Its just poor management!

 

[basinman]

I just got an email from Midway last night on some bullets I had on backorder. They are in stock and shipping to me. Hornady 6.5, 123 gr. SST and 6.5, 140 gr. SST. I had 6.5 gr. 143 ELD-X on backorder but they are still on backorder.

 

[The Oregonian]

Having the right to do something and being a nice thing to do are not always the same thing. In my state I can kill 6 deer per season. But my wife and I can only eat 2 per year so unless I have someone to give some to, I only shot what we need. I understand that buying up all the ammo or powder in an area can be an investment like buying gold or silver low and selling high. However if I buy silver when it is low and sell when it goes up, I'm not hurting or taking advantage of others. Can the same be said of ammo and reloading supplies? Or food and toilet paper? Things that are deemed essential should not be subject to price gouging, and guns and ammo have been deemed as essential. Do I have the right? Yes, absolutely, but I wouldn't feel very good about myself if I treated others this way. I try to live by the Golden Rule. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. If I corners the market on toilet paper and the sold it to you for $10 per roll, would you thank me for my service or curse me??? I think it should be against the law to profit from the misery of others!!!

I am in full agreement that legal and nice/thoughtful/considerate are in no way related and am not debating that.

But who defines profit? Who defines misery? I mean profit at the highest level is simple. However, what is my time worth? I can pay myself at $3 and hour or $103, and monkey with profits that way.

I guess what gets me in threads like this is that people pound the table about big government and everything that goes with it, laws that are intrusive on personal freedoms, and all of that. Yet many turn around and say that the government needs to step in to regulate stuff like this, primarily bc they can't get what they need. You know why? Because during the shortage, people with more money, a different value system, or with shooting higher on the priority list are willing to spend $300-$500 on a brick of primers, then go buy bullets, powder, and brass the same way.

 

[Coyote Shadow Tracker]

loking at the video of the CEO talking about their manufacturing process and high demand for cartridges. You can look at what he said two ways. One that he is being truthful and that they have such a high demand and that they have to keep primers for THEIR production and they can't realistically just open up new plants to meet demands. the other way to look at it is for every primer these manufacturing companies keep off the market and use in their process means that there is one less reload and one more fully loaded cartridge to be sold. That gives the manufactures more money. Why sell just one primer when you can sell the primer/brass/ powder/bullet at the same time for 1,000% more profit. When people have enough loaded cartridges and stop buying scalper prices there will be larger supplies, prices will come down.. Even when this does happen people will still hoard because of all the turmoil that was caused since obama. If you are a competitive shooter or varmit hunter and shoot a lot you will be in the mindset to stock as much primers and powder as you can afford or go in debt. This really has messed with a lot of shooter's lives and minds. When will it stop? When will it get better/ When will it go back to norm? Will it get worse? If things start to get better what about the next time? All these things are out of our control, but we have the power of the VOTE and also the choice not to buy inflated prices from scalpers.

 

[Montana'eer]

Of course manufacturers that produce primers and commercial ammunition are going to meet demand for loaded rounds first. That's fundamental.

And I don't blame manufacturers for not 'ramping up' capital expenditures for new commercial equipment to meet a demand caused by a panic / political cycle / pandemic / protests (pick your 'P' here). That's a horrible business decision. This cycle looks more like the oil boom and bust cycles than anything else. If they rushed in to meet demand and at higher prices- they fall victim when demand crashes. Look at how many oil patch firms went bust when the bottom dropped out of that commodity.

 

[basinman]

I had another stroke of luck. A friend asked if he could bring reloading supplies over for me to load some rounds for him as his equipment was in storage. The deal was that I would charge him some of the supplies for my labor. He brought over some milk crates with about 15 to 20 pounds of powder and 2000 small rifle primers and about 1000 large rifle primers along with some 55 gr. 223 bullets and 110 gr. 30 caliber bullets. He wants 250 rounds of 223 and 100 rounds of 30 carbine. Boy did my eyes light up when I saw all of that stuff!