This Should Make Some Heads Spin

[FrogFire7]

I thought it was well done. The guy wasn't laying out an actual specific cartridge as the flattest ever, he was saying (as we ALL do when the classic "What's the best cartridge for long range" question pops up) that ultimately you should pick something with a high BC and heavy bullet for long range. He also clearly showed it is range dependent, and said that you should pick the right bullet and cartridge for your application. The video was geared toward people who aren't ballistic nuts, like most of us are. Let's face it, MOST of the media on the internet related to guns is geared towards keyboard commandos who think guns are cool but realistically have little experience. Especially media with click bait like titles such as "The Flattest Shooting Cartridge Ever". I guarantee I could put a video with a title like that on YouTube today and it would start grinding out clicks/likes just based off the title. I thought he did a good job laying out basic ballistics, and gave an answer very, very similar to what everyone here would give if somebody posed the same question to our forum. Literally nothing he said made my head spin... but again, I'm more in the "ballistic nut" category already

 

[asd9055]

Ron's choices in the video are not impressing me. He is showing common cartridges that don't do too badly but IMO there are quite a few that are much flatter. The title says "flattest shooting cartridge ever", I disagree.


I remember many years ago John Lazzaroni made a special 308 warbird with 130 gr bullet. IIRC it was good to 500 yds without touching the turret or using stadia. He currently offers a 150 gr nickel/teflon plated X bullet @ 3819 fps

I have a few loads that are flat shooting:
300 Rum with a 168 Berger velocity 3560 fps
257 Weatherby and 115 Berger 3685 fps
6-284 and 55 gr nosler BT 4200 fps

Looking at Nosler's load data I found a few more

300 RUM and 125 nosler bt or accubond @ 3900 fps
7 Rum and 120 Nosler bt @ 3700 fps
26 Nosler and 100 gr ballistic tip 3960 fps
27 Nosler and 130 gr ballistic tip 3600 fps

I realize some of the aforementioned loads will have some wind drift at longer distances but Ron's video was titled FLAT SHOOTING CARTRIDGE.......


Bet there are some rifles that you guys shoot that blow these away.

The point I got, was, velocity and light bullets are good to a certain distance, then BC takes off

 

[john k]

I always am waiting for Ron's videos to hit. He abides by the "facts don't care about your feelings" mentality. Shooters are loyal to their calibers and do not like hearing results that do not favor their cartridges. He delivers in a way that's not too encroaching to the offended listener. Ron is definitely one of my favorites.

 

[Carlos88]

So a fast 7 is it???

Yes. Except the real 7mm is a .270.

Oh and speed kills.

 

[bluedog69]

Yes he didn't include a 270 TH in his video.

 

[Carlos88]

It's not the Gospel, I was just glad to see as big of a Needmoor supporter that he is that he actually shows the 270 being better, @HARPERC, I'm not a real big fan of his either but as I said it was PO Ackleys book that drove me to turn everything into a Swift with the Mule being the king of the hill right now

I'm not real impressed with needmore shooters shouting and banging their hats trying to convince me that the 6.5 CMMB is the best ever when the .260 came about YEARS ago.

I realize you know this and apologize for appropriating your post and then proclaiming my wisdom. Ahem. ()

Carry on.

 

[Carlos88]

Yes he didn't include a 270 TH in his video.

 

[bluedog69]

Watch it. Next ammo manufacturers will come out with a new 7.2 DIA… does it all!

 

[bluedog69]

Wait a minute Lazzeroni already has a 7.21 firebird. Oh well the public would swallow a 7.2 Does It All and never know the difference.

 

[Carlos88]

Watch it. Next ammo manufacturers will come out with a new 7.2 DIA… does it all!

Oh gawd.

 

[FEENIX]

"My" take ...

Writer: Regardless of the topic, attention-getting is a strategy that most writers employ to get a reader interested. In this case, it worked because it made it here.

Reader: Regardless of the topic, it is the reader's responsibility to synthesize the presented information.

The author only presented part of the factors to make a sound decision; luckily, "I" happen to know the pertinent information for my decision-making process because this is still a long-range hunting forum, when all possible, "I" always pick the best compromise with a bullet weight ("I" lean on heavy for caliber), construction/design, BC and propel it downrange with plenty of velocity and energy at POI (i.e., 1000 FT-LBS for deer and 1500 FT-LBS - "my" unwritten rule, and of course the minimum effective velocity for the bullet to expand effectively).

Ed

 

[bdlesh]

So are you telling me I might have made a mistake by selling off all my guns and only kept needmore?

 

[Alibiiv]

Light bullets at warp speed, That's right in my wheel house and the Needmoor well, See for yourself, I have read this book and that section is what made me the speed freak I am today and while it is dated there is still tons of great info in it

ButterBean, thank you, thank you, thank you. This is one of the most "common-sense" videos on velocity and cartridges that I have seen in a long time. From many of the replies and many of the arguments that I have seen come across the replies in this forum, "maybe" some of the members "might" get a hint about the right cartridge for the game being hunted. I want to throw up when I read about people who want to hunt elk or other tough animals with a cartridge that was designed for lighter game. In my opinion there's lots of hype that has been written about the Speedmoor/Creedmor that does a disservice to game that is too big for the cartridge to handle. Then.....I read where, "Well it all has to do with "shot placement" and bullet structure. Well it certainly does, but.....with that could be said about a .22 long rifle cartridge as well. I consider the rifles in my safe to be tools, and....the correct tool for the job!! I have built what I consider to be one of the best deer rifles out there, the .270 Ackley Improved; 150 grain ABLR @ 3300 fps. The cartridge is flat shooting and packs plenty of punch for the game that I hunt for with it. I also black bear hunt in Maine. The shots are close, and the game can be a real challenge to put down, and again the right bullet with the rifle. I have a number of rifles that I prefer for hunting black bear, the .358 Winchester, the 35 Whelen and the 45-70. And.....for those who say that a black bear is an easy animal to put down, my response to that is BS. And....yes with the right bullet and shot placement they will be DRT, but do not put that bullet where it needs to go, you're shooting a light bullet with a thin jacket and there's going to be a lot of tracking involved; and, more times than not the animal will go off and die. There's a lot to say about "shot placement" and the "right bullet", however (and I've written this before), the hunting environment is not a "sterile" environment by any means. I've seen the perfect, "easy" shot get messed up by an unseen twig the size of one's little finger mess up a really easy shot. Something else that I would like to say about "sterile hunting environments, and that is there are not any us who have done any amount of hunting at all, can say that they have never made a shot that they were not proud of, or....wished they hadn't made. Again enough cartridge for the game that is being hunter. I don't have the book, however I will be procuring a copy of it as soon as I can find one. Thanks again for sharing this video.

 

[ButterBean]

So are you telling me I might have made a mistake by selling off all my guns and only kept needmore?

Nope