The Nosler Hate... I don't get it.

[J E Custom]

So if you were facing a brown bear in the adlers at 10ft would you rather have their recommended 300 WM with Swift/Barnes or a 416 Ruger with 400 partition? It would take me about one mili second to make my choice. But I wonder what they'd choose in that moment?

To go into the alders looking for a brown bear is foolish in my opinion and If the outfitter has got you in this mess in the first place, you chose the wrong outfit. There job, first and foremost is to keep the client safe. I believe like you, a big bore is best and that there is no such thing as over kill when hunting something that would/could add you to there menu.

All of this is just conjecture and ultimately the choice of what brand, caliber and bullet weight is the shooters, and the outcome becomes his responsibility if he choses the wrong bullet, caliber or outfitter.

Outfitters are not always right and sometimes the client has to step up and say something, If that doesn't work, decline the hunt and demand you get your money back. The best chance to have a bad trip, is to go along with poor planning and bad decisions.

Just an opinion

J E CUSTOM

 

[revturbo9967]

my bear guide swears up and down on barnes. thinks they are the best thing on the planet. recommends them to everyone coming to his camp. when i shot my bear square in the chest without pass through at 25 feet with a 180 gr partition , jokingly he let me have it. but i could tell he was like " i told you so" . it still was dead in under 30 seconds

 

[bigngreen]

I've seen to many partitions not make it through an elk shoulder to take them on a big bear hunt. A guide knows what he wants and why, it's his butt in the sling go with it. I have things I don't want to see a guy bring or do if I'm taking them elk hunting, I don't want to see Barnes bullets, don't want to see an "elk" rifle that the hunter is scared of and I don't want to see a shoulder shot, don't like that find someone else to hunt with cause I don't have time for chasing wounded elk and excuses just **** me of. I really hate it when guys bring out the big gun and can't handle it, I'd rather see a 243 than a RUM most of the time!!
That particular outfitter has a pretty defined expectation of what your shooting and shot placement, he likely has a reason, I don't see any reason why a guy who is going on a guided hunt would not listen to someone who does it every day!!

 

[Longrang3r]

I've seen to many partitions not make it through an elk shoulder to take them on a big bear hunt. A guide knows what he wants and why, it's his butt in the sling go with it. I have things I don't want to see a guy bring or do if I'm taking them elk hunting, I don't want to see Barnes bullets, don't want to see an "elk" rifle that the hunter is scared of and I don't want to see a shoulder shot, don't like that find someone else to hunt with cause I don't have time for chasing wounded elk and excuses just **** me of. I really hate it when guys bring out the big gun and can't handle it, I'd rather see a 243 than a RUM most of the time!!
That particular outfitter has a pretty defined expectation of what your shooting and shot placement, he likely has a reason, I don't see any reason why a guy who is going on a guided hunt would not listen to someone who does it every day!!

What where the circumstances that the partitions didn't make it through the shoulder?

 

[Frank in the Laurels]

Nothing personal but I'd have to be there to believe a 225/250 partition out of a .338wm would not go through the shoulder of an elk, nothing personal and no attack on anyone, I've shot them through telephone poles at 100 yards, shot them through both shoulders on 500+ black bears, are you sure it didn't pass through a small tree before hitting the shoulder, agreed the x-bullets penetrates the best, both are great examples of big game bullets and I'd take either as my first choice after any big game on the planet..great bullets !!

 

[MudRunner2005]

So if you were facing a brown bear in the adlers at 10ft would you rather have their recommended 300 WM with Swift/Barnes or a 416 Ruger with 400 partition? It would take me about one mili second to make my choice. But I wonder what they'd choose in that moment?

My biggest surprise is the 308 caliber recommendation. Swift/Barnes isn't a surprise. I'd take a 375 or 416, probably 375 with Swift, Barnes, partition, or north fork.

A better question is would an Alaskan brown bear guide really carry a 300WM? I think I'd hire someone else.

At 10 feet... Give me my S&W 629PP 6.5" .44 Mag with Hornady 300gr JHP's.

 

[Pdvdh]

If so only on speed of follow up shots.

They're deadly, and the follow-up shots from the pump action shotgun are better than any life insurance policy.

 

[Sully2]

At 10 feet...Id want a Win model 70 with 458 soft points in it. Some one made the comment about needing baby wipes afterwards....Id have to have beach towels because Id have emptied my bowels that much!

 

[revturbo9967]

At 10 feet... Give me my S&W 629PP 6.5" .44 Mag with Hornady 300gr JHP's.

this is the only way i hunt bear now a days

 

[MudRunner2005]

this is the only way i hunt bear now a days

How many have you shot using that combo?

I've never shot a bear, but out of my collection, that would be best option I could come up with for a 10 foot encounter with a ****ed off grizzly.

 

[Edd]

At 10 feet... Give me my S&W 629PP 6.5" .44 Mag with Hornady 300gr JHP's.

And after you emptied your pistol the Bear would would rip off whatever body parts of yours he wanted to eat then he would leave the scene.

 

[MudRunner2005]

And after you emptied your pistol the Bear would would rip off whatever body parts of yours he wanted to eat then he would leave the scene.

Who says you empty it all at once... If you panic like that, then you shouldn't be hunting grizzly bears at that range to begin with.

 

[soulezoo]

I went fishing one time in Alaska with a buddy in an area Browns and Grizzlys frequented.

The bush pilot handed me a single shot H&R shotgun and some slugs "just in case".

My buddy declined showing his 6" S&W Mod. 29 in .44 mag.

The bush pilot reaches into the plane and hands buddy a file: "here, use this to take off the front sight"

Buddy: "why in hell would I do that?"

Pilot: "so it won't hurt so bad when the bear shoves that pop gun up your @ss!"

Me: "I'll take the shotgun..."

 

[Edd]

Who says you empty it all at once... If you panic like that, then you shouldn't be hunting grizzly bears at that range to begin with.

You set the 10 ft premise and chose the weapon.

How many rounds do you recommend saving until he gets closer?