The 25 sst...up and running

Getting over 3200 shouldn't be a problem in your SST with multiple powders.
My rifle has always liked being jumped at 15k but it shot well at 20k also. The second 25SST I worked with shooting RL26 preferred 18k.

The speed shift is definitely puzzling me right now as well. Between moving shops and the spines on my notebooks falling apart I'm missing a page or 2 no doubt. Also if I'm shooting off my concrete porch if Ambient air temp is 105* then the porch temp I'd probably say is 130-140* and I have a feeling that's were I'm seeing the increased velocity. Been meaning to build a platform to shoot off. Another thing with this rifle is accuracy falls of noticeably after 30 rounds for whatever reason so I always cleaned it before it gets past that point and I noticed my POI would rise on targets. It's at about 30 now so I'm going to keep shooting it this time and see what the velocity does. When I was over jobs on the frac/sand side ever summer I had guys fall out from heat stroke. One day I took a infrared thermometer out to one of my locations. Air temp was 106*, I measured the ground temp (caliche) 140*, I measured the dance floor (polymer pads where we stored sand boxes) where my hands were working 160*! I went over by my belt operator and measured the temp by his head on the belts 120*. So I've found when if I'm shooting off the porch it's actually significantly hotter than the ambient air temp and that might have caused the increased velocity as well.

Here is 63.16grs in a virgin case after tapping it down. As you can see it's up in the neck and the bullet is pushing it down. I made a 10" drop tube out of an arrow shaft yesterday but it's not long enough to help. In the past with n570 I've just set my loading block on my thumblers tumbler base to vibrate powder down.


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I haven't had any trouble running over 3200 with my 24" barrel and n565. Mine runs at 3230 with 60.6 grains for my accuracy load. If I recall, I'm .010" off from when it was new. I'm sure it's moved a touch but I haven't checked it since. I think quite a few people with 26" bbls run over 3300 with 565. H-1000 seems to run a hundred fps or so behind it from what I've heard. Honestly haven't compared the two powders in mine.
 
I haven't had any trouble running over 3200 with my 24" barrel and n565. Mine runs at 3230 with 60.6 grains for my accuracy load. If I recall, I'm .010" off from when it was new. I'm sure it's moved a touch but I haven't checked it since. I think quite a few people with 26" bbls run over 3300 with 565. H-1000 seems to run a hundred fps or so behind it from what I've heard. Honestly haven't compared the two powders in mine.
From my tests, I've found psi signs 50-60fps sooner with H1000 vs N565. That's been in 5 different chambers.
 
Took the rifle out to 1500 yards this evening. And set up the spotter to record on 60X. I'm shooting at a 2 liter soda bottle. In the first video I start out with 8moa dialed right wind is 5-10 from 4cl and as I start shooting I end up at around 6moa right, ended up with 39.7moa Up. Shot 10 rounds stoped the recording immediately loaded up 10 more rounds and started shooting again in the second video I hit the bottle on the 7th shot. The bottle is placed left of the big plate and high, almost at the end of the shadow the big plate is putting off. I should have waited about 15 more min and let the sun drop, video quality and wind conditions would have been much better. Went to the target and recovered the bullet that hit the bottle. I picked it up but tryed to put it back how I found it to get a pic. I know it's the bullet that hit the bottle because it was the only bullet there and half of it is sticking out of the ground which does not happen at that range. The ground is hard there and the rest of the bullets skipped past the target. Also found another 131ACE that's been there awhile but still looks like you could load it up again. I'm assuming it was from a past time I was shooting at 2000 yards.

Impact Velocity 1510 FPS
Energy 663 lbs
TOF 2.05 sec


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Shot the 67gr Shock hammers this morning. Started out at 500 yards 70*. Had a 14-18mph 3cl wind. I was zeroed at 100 yards MV is 4105fps, I set up at 500 yards. Shooter called for 5U 6R. First shot looked low and left so I dialed 9U and 12R and did not see the impact.So I decided to move up to 300 yards. Shooter called for 1.5U 4.2R. I shot a few times and actual dope ended up being 4.2U 7R.

After this I shot some 90gr Absolute hammers MV 3780fps zeroed about an inch high at 100 yards. Target was 300 yards, wind was still 14-18mph 3cl. I sent sent a few shots down range.
Dope ended up being 2.2U and 2.5R

From initial testing with the 67gr SH it looks like Il be sticking with the 90gr AH for light bullet applications. The huge hollow point on the 67gr SH is probably killing its BC but they have their application it's just looking like it won't be a good one for me. I will say shooting the 67gr SH feels like I'm shooting a suppressed .22-250 or .223, very minimal recoil.
 
Got a chance to try out the 110 SBD2s and the 128 HH today. Didn't get the speeds I was hoping, but I do have a shorter barrel (22") then most y'all. I only did a pressure ladder on both but the SBD2s looked promising.

25SST 110 grn Super Bull Dozer 2
N565 .007" jump Fed 210M

58.0 3071
58.5 3099
59.0 3125
59.5 3171
60.0 3198
60.6 3228 (Ejector swipe)

128 HH N565 .004" jump Fed 210M (I started a little high on the ladder, hit pressure before I thought I would)

57.0 —
57.2 3029 (flattish primer)
57.4 3040
57.6 3036 (not sure what happened here)
57.8 3073
58.0 3083 (Ejector swipe)

What do y'all think? Slow or on par for a 22" 7 twist? I also have 2 lbs of RL23 and 10 lbs of RL26. Think any of those would do a little better with this? Thanks!
 
I've only shot a few of the 128's. First round I tried them at 60.6 which is the same as I run the blackjacks and had way too much pressure. Should've tuned it back like you're supposed to... Backed off to 57 or 58 (can't remember now) and shot three just to see if they'd stabilize out of my 7.25 twist which they did. Don't recall the exact speed but it was slower than I can run the blackjacks and was still on the top end of pressure. Haven't revisited it since.
 
Got a chance to try out the 110 SBD2s and the 128 HH today. Didn't get the speeds I was hoping, but I do have a shorter barrel (22") then most y'all. I only did a pressure ladder on both but the SBD2s looked promising.

25SST 110 grn Super Bull Dozer 2
N565 .007" jump Fed 210M

58.0 3071
58.5 3099
59.0 3125
59.5 3171
60.0 3198
60.6 3228 (Ejector swipe)

128 HH N565 .004" jump Fed 210M (I started a little high on the ladder, hit pressure before I thought I would)

57.0 —
57.2 3029 (flattish primer)
57.4 3040
57.6 3036 (not sure what happened here)
57.8 3073
58.0 3083 (Ejector swipe)

What do y'all think? Slow or on par for a 22" 7 twist? I also have 2 lbs of RL23 and 10 lbs of RL26. Think any of those would do a little better with this? Thanks!

Nothing wrong with your velocities for a 22" Rl 26 will give ~ 100fps over n565 and rl23 will give 50-75 fps over 565 with better temp stability than rl26. That being said 100 fps in the field is nothing to worry about. If you have the time experiment with all of them and go with what gives you the best accuracy.
I'm getting my original barrel set back and chopping it down to 20". Should still do 3200-3250 with the 131ACE and N570 and if it doesn't like that Il take the velocity loss and go with h1000 or 565.
 
Thanks Gents! I'll stick with the 565 for now. I bought it only to shoot in this gun, so don't want to waste it. I could always load a few up with RL26 to see how she does. I'm only at 60 rds down the tube now, so I'm sure she'll speed up a little.

Still haven't ran the 131 in it. I'm in Cali so figure I'll focus on the non-lead first then venture over to the 131 once I get a good mono load. I'd be happy with 3100fps or so out of those.
 
Got a chance to try out the 110 SBD2s and the 128 HH today. Didn't get the speeds I was hoping, but I do have a shorter barrel (22") then most y'all. I only did a pressure ladder on both but the SBD2s looked promising.

25SST 110 grn Super Bull Dozer 2
N565 .007" jump Fed 210M

58.0 3071
58.5 3099
59.0 3125
59.5 3171
60.0 3198
60.6 3228 (Ejector swipe)

128 HH N565 .004" jump Fed 210M (I started a little high on the ladder, hit pressure before I thought I would)

57.0 —
57.2 3029 (flattish primer)
57.4 3040
57.6 3036 (not sure what happened here)
57.8 3073
58.0 3083 (Ejector swipe)

What do y'all think? Slow or on par for a 22" 7 twist? I also have 2 lbs of RL23 and 10 lbs of RL26. Think any of those would do a little better with this? Thanks!
It's not apples to apples but in my 26in 25-06 I'm getting 3330 fps accurately with the SBD2 over 58.9gr retumbo

3112 fps with 131 ACE over 55.5gr RL 26
 
Here with another couple questions.

1. Do any of you feel the need to neck turn? My fired cases measure .290 and a loaded measures .288. All my necks measure .0155", I was thinking of knocking them down to .015 or .0145"?

2. Any idea where to start with RL26 and the 128HH? I was going to start at 55 and go up. Think that's a good starting point?

Thanks!
 
Here with another couple questions.

1. Do any of you feel the need to neck turn? My fired cases measure .290 and a loaded measures .288. All my necks measure .0155", I was thinking of knocking them down to .015 or .0145"?

2. Any idea where to start with RL26 and the 128HH? I was going to start at 55 and go up. Think that's a good starting point?

Thanks!
I will be turning all of mine. It's too thick. Have to push firmly to get a bullet in a fired case. No Bueno.......
 
Well after reading all 23 pages of this, im definitely going to have to get one of these to go with my 338 Sherman I'm having built right now. I'm think it'll make a great ultra light rifle.

Peter
 
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