Talk to me about savage 10MLSS-II

[joe0121]

I use h1000 almost exclusively for reloading. I want to buy the savage [FONT=Arial, Helvetica]10MLSS-II for next deer season. I would think a slow burning powder like h1000 would work well in this case?



I had no idea till recently they even was such a thing as a muzzle loader capable of taking smokeless powder.


What can you recommend as far as bullets?

I am a complete muzzle loader n00b.
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[13point]

Go over to Doug's message board, loads of smokeless information. I shoot a custom Savage with PacNor barrel and Stockade Stock. I think the 3 powders recomended by savage are 4227, 4759, and 5744. I don't think these are slow powders. I shoot the old standard load of 44gr of 5744 with a .452 dia. 250 gr. XTP with them mmp short sabot. I know at one time there was a problem with the 4227 not igniting. Also as with any ML, if it misfires and the primer goes off it will push the bullet up away from the plug. Reseat the bullet before you try again.

Hope some of this helps.
Please research, I'm definately no expert on this.

 

[joe0121]

Can you get a ML action? whats involved in building your own? It looks like they use fast burning pistol powders.

 

[13point]

I bought a stainless Savage ML a few years ago. I do not like the ramrod always falling out or make noise, you can't keep a spinjag on it anyway. PacNor makes a drop in barrel for them, spin the factory off and headspace the new one (tell them which bullet combo you are going to shoot and they will suggest the twist). Then you can either get a B&C Duramax stock and work it to make fit (don't like the quality) or send your new barreled action to Stockade and they will add an extra action screw and bed your barreled action in one of their stocks. I think I got my takedown ramrod from Harold MacDonald (hope I got that name correct). Nobody at the range can believe you are shooting a muzzleloader.

 

[Yotekiller]

I have been using 44g AA5744 with 300g Barnes expander with sabot supplied by Barnes for many years. Extremely accurate and knocks the crap out of deer unlike anything I have ever fired at one. I can't use a rifle during deer season.

 

[joe0121]

I have been using 44g AA5744 with 300g Barnes expander with sabot supplied by Barnes for many years. Extremely accurate and knocks the crap out of deer unlike anything I have ever fired at one. I can't use a rifle during deer season.

No rifles here but on the family farm a shot over 200 yards rarely presents itself or is necessary. Land is smack in the middle of a deer super highway and lots of fence line. Several choke points along the fence where deer bunch up in groups to jump over. The deer seem to love to follow the fence and just inside the treeline. We have trees stands in some great locations. It's nice owning the land I spend a lot of time out there shooting my 1000 f class rig and can really watch the deer through my NF NSX at 22 power. Sat I'll be borrowing my Father in Laws encore and scoping out where I want to set up for Monday.

 

[Hogslammer]

I use h1000 almost exclusively for reloading. I want to buy the savage [FONT=Arial, Helvetica]10MLSS-II for next deer season. I would think a slow burning powder like h1000 would work well in this case? [/FONT]



[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]I had no idea till recently they even was such a thing as a muzzle loader capable of taking smokeless powder. [/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]What can you recommend as far as bullets? [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]I am a complete muzzle loader n00b. [/FONT]

Ive killed #3 hogs with it and alot of other deer 220 yds in to 10ft. Randy Wakeman has a great website. I bought my savage from him quite a few years ago. You will have a great start at his site. I use nothing but my 10ml 2

 

[joe0121]

Ive killed #3 hogs with it and alot of other deer 220 yds in to 10ft. Randy Wakeman has a great website. I bought my savage from him quite a few years ago. You will have a great start at his site. I use nothing but my 10ml 2

Cool, thanks for the info! It really down sound like a super cool gun.

 

[sakoluvr]

I bought a stainless Savage ML a few years ago. I do not like the ramrod always falling out or make noise, you can't keep a spinjag on it anyway. PacNor makes a drop in barrel for them, spin the factory off and headspace the new one (tell them which bullet combo you are going to shoot and they will suggest the twist). Then you can either get a B&C Duramax stock and work it to make fit (don't like the quality) or send your new barreled action to Stockade and they will add an extra action screw and bed your barreled action in one of their stocks. I think I got my takedown ramrod from Harold MacDonald (hope I got that name correct). Nobody at the range can believe you are shooting a muzzleloader.

Can you tell me what Stockade charges for a stock, extra action screw and bedding? Thanks.

 

[Yotekiller]

Its all on their website.

 

[sakoluvr]

Got it. Just checked. I think I like the Mule deer stock. Just contacted them to get more info. Thanks.

 

[sniperjwt]

This is my opinion but do not buy the Savage ML ll or the ML l for that fact and here is why i say that.

I built one of the smokless muzzloaders earlier this year but mine is not off of the Savage ML action it is a regular Savage bolt action off of a model 11. I ordered a pac nor barrel for it and then put it in a Choate sniper stock. It takes a special breach plug that is made by a guy named Pete.

My friend and neighbor has one (got it after seeing mine) that was built on the Savage ML ll action (got it second hand). He has had it for about 5 months and is now building one like i have. Why you ask. Well its all about the ignition system. The smokless muzzleloaders use fast burning powder and since you are burning rifle powder what better to ignite it than a rifle primer and not a shotgun primer. How much quality control is really in a shotgun primer? I know i would rather have a match rifle primer that i know is going to be consistant igniting the rifle powder.

That being said his gun does shoot pretty good. Not quite as good as mine but pretty good none the less.

Lets look at cost
My set up
Savage Action $250
Pac Nor Barrel $415
Choate Stock $175
Petes breach plug $95
Total cost $935

Cost of his set up when first built
Savage ML ll $600
Pac nor barrel $415
pillar bed stock and add third pillar and bolt lock $200
Total cost $1215

Cost of new gun
Savage ML ll $600-700

in my mind you cant go wrong with buying the components and putting it together.

These are .45 caliber Muzzleloaders which are better in my opinion than the 50

I am shooting th 200g SST at almost 2800fps with a ES of 13fps and have hit targets out as far as 540 yards with it please show me another muzzleloader for under $1000 that can do that.

If you would like any more info about my set up please let me know i will leave you with a pic of mine and a group shot at 300 yards.

 

[joe0121]

This is my opinion but do not buy the Savage ML ll or the ML l for that fact and here is why i say that.

I built one of the smokless muzzloaders earlier this year but mine is not off of the Savage ML action it is a regular Savage bolt action off of a model 11. I ordered a pac nor barrel for it and then put it in a Choate sniper stock. It takes a special breach plug that is made by a guy named Pete.

My friend and neighbor has one (got it after seeing mine) that was built on the Savage ML ll action (got it second hand). He has had it for about 5 months and is now building one like i have. Why you ask. Well its all about the ignition system. The smokless muzzleloaders use fast burning powder and since you are burning rifle powder what better to ignite it than a rifle primer and not a shotgun primer. How much quality control is really in a shotgun primer? I know i would rather have a match rifle primer that i know is going to be consistant igniting the rifle powder.

That being said his gun does shoot pretty good. Not quite as good as mine but pretty good none the less.

Lets look at cost
My set up
Savage Action $250
Pac Nor Barrel $415
Choate Stock $175
Petes breach plug $95
Total cost $935

Cost of his set up when first built
Savage ML ll $600
Pac nor barrel $415
pillar bed stock and add third pillar and bolt lock $200
Total cost $1215

Cost of new gun
Savage ML ll $600-700

in my mind you cant go wrong with buying the components and putting it together.

These are .45 caliber Muzzleloaders which are better in my opinion than the 50

I am shooting th 200g SST at almost 2800fps with a ES of 13fps and have hit targets out as far as 540 yards with it please show me another muzzleloader for under $1000 that can do that.

If you would like any more info about my set up please let me know i will leave you with a pic of mine and a group shot at 300 yards.

That is one mean looking muzzle loader! Not sure If I want to spend a grand on it though. Maybe I'll just get a cheap one I'm only using for hunting and rarely is there a shot over 100 yards. Are you using smokeless powder?

 

[sniperjwt]

That is one mean looking muzzle loader! Not sure If I want to spend a grand on it though. Maybe I'll just get a cheap one I'm only using for hunting and rarely is there a shot over 100 yards. Are you using smokeless powder?

yes i am useing H4198 powder.

If your not shooting over 100 yards buy a CVA and get some Blackhorn 209 powder and dont look back. This combo i have not seen fail yet and puts up some very impressive groups.