So Will the .270 Win Overtake the CM's and PRC's?

[Paper boy]

So what do we have? A Long action, 26"+ barrels, faster twist barrels, high BC heavy bullets, low recoil, brass CHEAP, brass neck is wonderful for longer higher BC bullets, RL26 pixie dust, every manufacturer has a .270 in current configuration of 1:10 BUT with advent of the higher BC bullets, heavier and need for faster twist barrels, is this the next NEW caliber to win over everybody?

Heck, my 24" sporter barrel is shooting 150 ABLR at 3075 fps with RL26 with absolutely no pressure so what will a 26"+ do with faster twist for heavier higher BC bullets? Recoil is actually pleasant and can shoot all day for probably anyone. The downrange ballistics are pretty darn good with the higher velocity, higher BC, heavier bullets that the .270 Win can actually do with faster twist and RL26 pixie dust.

So what do you think? Does the old girl have a chance? I do. Then again, Hornady has not branded it as a CM or PRC so probably no chance at all.

This is my next build!

Sounds great to me!

 

[kiwi49]

Jack O'Connor killed off the 7mm Remington Express, with his endless promotion of the 277 calibre as a 'do all' case/bullet. 7mm/284 have bounced back and the 270 is seen as a medium game rifle by manufacturers, so very little development invested in it. Remington came back with the 7RM, which floored a lot of cartridges around the same size. 270W is still popular as a deer rifle here in New Zealand, but not as an LR/ELR calibre.

 

[Muddyboots]

Dang running out of popcorn

 

[Starlite]

Dang running out of popcorn

Switch to cheezies there of a better caliber

 

[Buck Fever]

Been saying this for years. Since day of the CM cult beginnings.

I started my first 6.5 Creedmoor during Obamamania when gun parts prices were gouging levels because everyone was scrambling to get what they needed before Obama got in.

I wanted an LR308 and had two options: pay price gouging prices for plain Jane LR308 parts or pay a little more to get premium parts from JP and a Criterion barrel in 6.5 Creedmoor. For some reason, the premium parts pricing wasn't going up so it was only about $500 to upgrade from a DPMS BCG to JP, a JP Silent Captured Spring setup, Criterion 6.5 Creedmoor barrel instead of whatever DPMS barrel I could find, Oversized receiver pins, a reamer for the pins, an SR Gold trigger, an adjustable gas block and a free float tube handguard. Ammo cost is about the same, a little over $1 a shot for good accurate ammo.

What I got was a 1/2 MOA rifle that shoots 1,000+ yards with box ammo.

The slightly cheaper alternative would have been about a 1.5 MOA gun that is subsonic before it goes 900 yards.

Things are different today, they are better. My last 6.5 Creedmoor AR cost about half as much. It's still about a $4-500 premium to get a nice barrel, nickel boron BCG, adjustable gas block, nice trigger and a free float handguard so it could have been 1/3 the cost if I wanted to scrape the bottom of the barrel. In a factory bolt action, the premium for 6.5 Creedmoor is $0 but you aren't necessarily going to get a nicer barrel, your accuracy advantage is all in the ballistics.

It's not a cult, it's the .308 alternative that opened up 1,000 yard shooting to a bunch of people who don't reload and didn't want to deal with a Magnum. It's a good hunting round when using suitable bullets and it made PRS and other long range tactical shooting matches take off.

There is no hype, only substance and we are all better for it.

Go ahead and hunt with whatever you want but if you are asking "why can't they make my cartridge more like 6.5 Creedmoor?", that is the wrong question.

Sure, new bullets will come out for the Fury but fast twist .270 is going to be a custom rifle and handload proposition just like it is today because no manufacturer is going to get behind it when instead they could do a .250 Meteor or whatever cartridge nobody asked for.

 

[DavidA]

I have a 270 win with a McGowen 26" Sendero profile 1-8 twist barrel. I get about 2,920 fps with 170 Bergers great rifle ballistics are very admirable for a 270 win cartridge.

I also have a 284 win custom long throat 28" 1-8 twist barrel. It throws 185
RDFs in the around 2,865 fps. Great ballistics. I am going to get some 195 Bergers. Thinking that 2,840 fps is obtainable on my rig with RL26 pixie dust

the 284 win has a very slight edge on the 270 win but if I had just one rifle to keep, The 284 win and a custom 338 win mag would have to go.

You can find 270 win reloading brass and base hunting load anywhere and a 170 Berger exiting at 2,920 fps is no joke. Some do things a little better but the 170 Berger at sea level is still traveling at 1,720 fps and 1,117 ft lbs at 1,000 yds with a wind drift of 1.4 mills with a 10 mph cross wind

 

[bushmotornv]

Yup, I'm selling off 2/3rds of my gunsafe to build one. 28" fast twist, Nitrided, that will destroy all the current paid off gun writers pets. One gun for anything in the lower 48.

Not to derail the thread,but...is nitride the best option for a barrel? Every barrel maker I've talked to about this says dont...

 

[Starlite]

Not to derail the thread,but...is nitride the best option for a barrel? Every barrel maker I've talked to about this says dont...

Or what? They'll have to spend more money?

 

[Alibiiv]

So what do we have? A Long action, 26"+ barrels, faster twist barrels, high BC heavy bullets, low recoil, brass CHEAP, brass neck is wonderful for longer higher BC bullets, RL26 pixie dust, every manufacturer has a .270 in current configuration of 1:10 BUT with advent of the higher BC bullets, heavier and need for faster twist barrels, is this the next NEW caliber to win over everybody?

Heck, my 24" sporter barrel is shooting 150 ABLR at 3075 fps with RL26 with absolutely no pressure so what will a 26"+ do with faster twist for heavier higher BC bullets? Recoil is actually pleasant and can shoot all day for probably anyone. The downrange ballistics are pretty darn good with the higher velocity, higher BC, heavier bullets that the .270 Win can actually do with faster twist and RL26 pixie dust.

So what do you think? Does the old girl have a chance? I do. Then again, Hornady has not branded it as a CM or PRC so probably no chance at all.

This is my next build!

I have a .270 Ackley Improved shooting 150gr ABLRs at 3300fps out of a 26 inch Lilja barrel, and there are no signs of pressure. I think the .270 Winchester is an excellent round, it has been around for a very long time. Usually will find that the cartridge has a following or people pretty much hate it. As for the 6.5 Creedmoor I am curious to know the reason behind the fact that the 6.5-06 hasn't caught on more???? I'm presently building a 30-06 to accompany the .270AI for deer hunting, and once the 06 is finished I am going to build a 6.5-06 because I want one.

 

[Buck Fever]

Evidently the time to make a popular cartridge by necking down 30-06 was 70 years ago.

 

[budlight]

Someone ask me about my Avatar picture of the target by my name and location.

I took my rifle out of the safe after years of collecting dust. That is at 200 yards bench rest shooting. My above scope has 1/8 inch adjustments at 100. I was wondering how the old scope was doing on up/down Right and left. So I fired the first shot and that is the bottom most. So I went up one click and fired a shot. then I clicked one right and fired a shot. Then one click up and fired a shot. Then I put in 4 clicks right and fired. The I did 4 clicks left and 5 clicks up. With little clicks I was able to walk it right into the center. It had been sighted in previously for some 120 varmint bullets and the 175's had that much more drop but correct on the first shot left and right. That is why you need to perfect on load and stay with it always.

You can make rifles very accurate with some work. It is kind of a young tough guys mountain rifle. It's something like 18 pounds and I have humped our local 9,000+ foot mountains in search of the great rack and I worked on long range shooting. The only time that a 29 inch or even my 32 inch barrel suck is on game trails through the trees. with a sling over the shoulder the barrel sticks way above your head. So even when you duct down the barrel still snags trees.

 

[Russ66]

So what do we have? A Long action, 26"+ barrels, faster twist barrels, high BC heavy bullets, low recoil, brass CHEAP, brass neck is wonderful for longer higher BC bullets, RL26 pixie dust, every manufacturer has a .270 in current configuration of 1:10 BUT with advent of the higher BC bullets, heavier and need for faster twist barrels, is this the next NEW caliber to win over everybody?

Heck, my 24" sporter barrel is shooting 150 ABLR at 3075 fps with RL26 with absolutely no pressure so what will a 26"+ do with faster twist for heavier higher BC bullets? Recoil is actually pleasant and can shoot all day for probably anyone. The downrange ballistics are pretty darn good with the higher velocity, higher BC, heavier bullets that the .270 Win can actually do with faster twist and RL26 pixie dust.

So what do you think? Does the old girl have a chance? I do. Then again, Hornady has not branded it as a CM or PRC so probably no chance at all.

This is my next build!

Well, before anyone gets thier knickers in a knot about your suggestion of a 'hostile take over', they need to google '277 fury' - 3,000fps mv from a 16'' barrel! SIG SAUR has the US Defence backing on this & no one else has successfully bonded a case (stainless steel/brass) to withstand the 80,000psi chamber pressures that SIG has mastered. Once the DoD runs with this we all know what will happen next. I recon we will see a dramatic surge in a wide range of bullet selection & availability very soon. I'm in Australia so can't get my hands on a 277 Fury for quite some time - BUT this is now No. 1 on my short list of next purchases.

 

[Buck Fever]

There is higher pressure stuff out there.

Once all of those bullets get developed for 277 Fury, guess what? The manufacturers are going to all be building 277 Furys or they are going to ignore it to try and kill it.

Where is 22-250 at with barrel twist fast enough for 90 grain bullets? Nowhere!

Some manufacturers won't give up on 1 in 12" .308.

You are waiting for something that isn't coming so make it yourself if that is what you want.

 

[Wv shooter]

Yep makes you wonder why companies beside custom rifle makers don't make the 7s or 30s with faster barrels even today. With the bigger 230/240/245 and 250s for the 30s and the 183/184/190/195s for the 7s and still nobody putting barrels on that compliment those bullets. Seems like there missing the boat. Factory barrels don't shoot all that bad really if a guy wanted to run one on his hunting rifle with heavies for either caliber.

Ha brother check out the browning line up in x-bolt long range they got some fast twist rifles