sig sauer kilo 2000 rangefinder

[codyadams]

Vortex newest optic is entirely American. This thread has gotten ridiculous, aparently the Sig has coolaid power, it is a decent unit but won't perform with the Leica 1600, YET, as there is some awesomeness in the pipe line, Sig is aggressively getting to the right shooters in this market and we'll see that in the future but I know Leica isn't just setting either, we may well be seeing an incredible next couple years for rangefinder tech!!

I don't see why you would say it doesn't perform with the leica, it ranges just as far on soft targets, and does it much faster. And on reflective objects it ranges quite a bit farther.

But I do agree with you on the future in rangefinders, when sig built this, they built the best performing rangefinder per dollar. Is there any other rangefinder on the market that can range essentially anything out to 1000 yards instantly, soft targets to 1400 easily and over 2,000 yards on anything reflective within a couple seconds that can be had for $425, or less from some places? Plain and simple, the answer is no. I really do believe some other companies may copy sign idea of a simple product that does one thing well, and that is range, and sell it for a lower price. But we will see.

 

[Greyfox]

I don't see why you would say it doesn't perform with the leica, it ranges just as far on soft targets, and does it much faster. And on reflective objects it ranges quite a bit farther.

But I do agree with you on the future in rangefinders, when sig built this, they built the best performing rangefinder per dollar. Is there any other rangefinder on the market that can range essentially anything out to 1000 yards instantly, soft targets to 1400 easily and over 2,000 yards on anything reflective within a couple seconds that can be had for $425, or less from some places? Plain and simple, the answer is no. I really do believe some other companies may copy sign idea of a simple product that does one thing well, and that is range, and sell it for a lower price. But we will see.

It will be interesting to watch how the RF market develops. I'm not so sure that SIG did the LR hunting market any favors. Some would call what they did commoditization. Having worked in the "high tech instrumentation" industry for 40 years which is also a small, specialized market. It is very common and can have a stifling effect on innovation since the profit(which can be used to innovate) has been stripped out of the market and the smaller specialized suppliers are squeezed out. Good or bad, SIG has collapsed the price umbrella. Innovations are more likely to come from a LR "hunting" specialty supplier, i.e., Gunwerks G7. I'm not sure SIG can be classified as such. If SIG learns and understands the LRH market, and is committed to advancment, it's good for us. If not, we can certainly buy a cheap RF, but advancement might be slowed. Time will tell.
Just some thoughts.

 

[cowboy]

If SIG learns and understands the LRH market, and is committed to advancment, it's good for us. If not, we can certainly buy a cheap RF, but advancement might be slowed. Time will tell.
Just some thoughts.

I think it's too soon to tell but having used Leica RF since they first came out and only used the Kilo for a very short time I'd say that Sig has given notice to the RF world - they came into the market and are going to be a player to reckon with. I know Sig already has prototypes being tested for their next generation so I'd bet they are committed to advancement. Time will tell.

 

[Broz]

If SIG learns and understands the LRH market, and is committed to advancment, it's good for us. If not, we can certainly buy a cheap RF, but advancement might be slowed. Time will tell.
Just some thoughts.

Have you looked at their complete new line of optics and their Electro Optics division?? I have been in direct contact with the president with many emails and some pretty long phone calls. I have reviewed and tested the Kilo and have another Kilo here for a follow up review to instruct how to get the most from the " Hyper Scan" mode. Don't compare Hyper scan to any other rangefinder that has "scan" from years before. The Technology has changed and Sig is on top of it.

I will soon also be doing T&E for their new Bino line and long range scopes. In my opinion, SIG has made a huge commitment, invested a ton of money, and is striving to be a top contender in the long range optic market.

There are things on slate that I am not at liberty to talk about. But I can say I think many will be impressed and excited. I know I am.

Jeff

 

[Greyfox]

Have you looked at their complete new line of optics and their Electro Optics division?? I have been in direct contact with the president with many emails and some pretty long phone calls. I have reviewed and tested the Kilo and have another Kilo here for a follow up review to instruct how to get the most from the " Hyper Scan" mode. Don't compare Hyper scan to any other rangefinder that has "scan" from years before. The Technology has changed and Sig is on top of it.

I will soon also be doing T&E for their new Bino line and long range scopes. In my opinion, SIG has made a huge commitment, invested a ton of money, and is striving to be a top contender in the long range optic market.

There are things on slate that I am not at liberty to talk about. But I can say I think many will be impressed and excited. I know I am.

Jeff

That is great news Jeff! I think the next generation of advancement with hunting rangefinders is along the lines of what the G7's capabilities are. I am hopeful that this is their direction. I own, and am a big fan of SIG's handguns. They are well engineered, reliable, and top quality.

 

[royinidaho]

Wow! Has this thread ever become all incompassing! All we want is a quick, reliable range.

Inasmuch as the "market" has gone globe each country has to learn how to remain resilient in the new paradigm. I'm very uncomfortable with the U.S. losing so much of its manufacturing capabilities. Think of what was manufactured from a zero start for WWII!

I doubt that could be done again.

Having said that, all of the stuff being made off shore is being made to service the American market.

I'm pro U.S. as much as anyone but recognize the globe scheme of things. I also understand freedom!

Returning to topic.

I am one who is naturally hard on stuff. About the first thing I did was misplace the Kilo case. It's lived it's life hanging on a door nob with my predator calls and spare lanyards, hanging around my neck while crawling through brambles and hanging off the saddle horn during moments of forgetfulness. It is holding up well !

The battery seems to be lasting forever with major reliability during single digit temperatures .

It's a keeper .

 

[codyadams]

It's a keeper .

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ACf8n6CBJsE

 

[SofaKing]

I just sold my Leupold rx-1000i and purchased the Sig Sauer Kilo 2000. Was looking at upgrading after not being able to range things while on our annual hunting trip to Wyoming. I can't wait to put the Sig to work.

 

[MASH]

When I got home last night mine Kilo was waiting on the front porch. The fit and finish is very nice and came well packaged. Starting with the battery the cap has a flip up piece that is easy to turn, no tools needed to access the battery. The eye cup actually turns in and out like binos vs a flip out or folding rubber eye cup. The diopter adjustment is a ring with markings on it for quick reference and large enough to grasp easily and turn to your needed setting for a clear focus. Compared to my Lieca LRF 1200 both of these are much nicer. Programing is very easy with the mode button to cycle through the functions to set it up for your preferred settings. I left the brightness control on auto but you can set manually from very low to very bright, and when you get to this in setup it will start you on the lowest setting and you go up low to brightest them auto. I suggest trying the auto first to see how you like it I left mine there after trying all the brightness levels. You can exit the set up before you get to this if you do not want change it, but if you get to this portion and then exit the set up it will leave it on the lowest setting which you cant see in daylight. Of course you will hit the range button on to wake it up and not see a display and day to yourself ***! DID IT STOP WORKING ALREADY!!! Luckily in the manual for trouble shooting they have this listed and I was able to sort it out. So as far as the ranging goes I am very impressed so far.
The longest I can get too from my front porch is the tops of some palm tress at 860 yds. With the sun setting I started at trees from 300 to the farthest one at 860. My Lieca 1200 would not pick anything up over 740 and Sig kept going and gave me returns very very fast. In fact it was so fast when going back to target that would range with the Lieca it seemed to take forever to get the reading. Well at least a couple seconds longer. This weekend I will take both out the field and test some more at longer ranges on more difficult targets. I live in AZ in the east valley so the Sonoran Desert is not the easiest place for a range finder. I will also compare my Nikon Rifle Hunter 1000 as well to give a good comparison of how this stacks up. I did not try the Nikon last afternoon but will make sure to include it over the weekend. I will try and download some pics tonight when I get home.

 

[SofaKing]

When I got home last night mine Kilo was waiting on the front porch. The fit and finish is very nice and came well packaged. Starting with the battery the cap has a flip up piece that is easy to turn, no tools needed to access the battery. The eye cup actually turns in and out like binos vs a flip out or folding rubber eye cup. The diopter adjustment is a ring with markings on it for quick reference and large enough to grasp easily and turn to your needed setting for a clear focus. Compared to my Lieca LRF 1200 both of these are much nicer. Programing is very easy with the mode button to cycle through the functions to set it up for your preferred settings. I left the brightness control on auto but you can set manually from very low to very bright, and when you get to this in setup it will start you on the lowest setting and you go up low to brightest them auto. I suggest trying the auto first to see how you like it I left mine there after trying all the brightness levels. You can exit the set up before you get to this if you do not want change it, but if you get to this portion and then exit the set up it will leave it on the lowest setting which you cant see in daylight. Of course you will hit the range button on to wake it up and not see a display and day to yourself ***! DID IT STOP WORKING ALREADY!!! Luckily in the manual for trouble shooting they have this listed and I was able to sort it out. So as far as the ranging goes I am very impressed so far.
The longest I can get too from my front porch is the tops of some palm tress at 860 yds. With the sun setting I started at trees from 300 to the farthest one at 860. My Lieca 1200 would not pick anything up over 740 and Sig kept going and gave me returns very very fast. In fact it was so fast when going back to target that would range with the Lieca it seemed to take forever to get the reading. Well at least a couple seconds longer. This weekend I will take both out the field and test some more at longer ranges on more difficult targets. I live in AZ in the east valley so the Sonoran Desert is not the easiest place for a range finder. I will also compare my Nikon Rifle Hunter 1000 as well to give a good comparison of how this stacks up. I did not try the Nikon last afternoon but will make sure to include it over the weekend. I will try and download some pics tonight when I get home.

Looking forward to reading your comparison

 

[bigngreen]

I don't see why you would say it doesn't perform with the leica, it ranges just as far on soft targets, and does it much faster. And on reflective objects it ranges quite a bit farther.

But I do agree with you on the future in rangefinders, when sig built this, they built the best performing rangefinder per dollar. Is there any other rangefinder on the market that can range essentially anything out to 1000 yards instantly, soft targets to 1400 easily and over 2,000 yards on anything reflective within a couple seconds that can be had for $425, or less from some places? Plain and simple, the answer is no. I really do believe some other companies may copy sign idea of a simple product that does one thing well, and that is range, and sell it for a lower price. But we will see.

For me using a Leica 1600 for all practical purposes the Sig RIGHT now as it stands is not an upgrade, it won't range as accurately as the Leica in test that maybe coming out and that frankly is all I care about, don't really care what the dollar per yard is I care about accuracy, thee ONLY thing that has bit me with a range finder is a bad range, I'd far rather have a no range than a bad range all day long, if my Leica 1600 won't give me a repeatable range that means I need to do something different cause the shot is not going to be quality, I've used rangefinders that will spit a range out every time but their of little use when you see you shot drop in the dirt. I have no problems ranging elk of had even out to 1600 yard with my Leica, if I bag up I regularly can range to that 2000 mark on elk, what more would I need! If I didn't have what I have and it being so well proven I'd be all over the Kilo like a fat kid on a cupcake!!!

Now after all that I'm confident Sig is coming with a range finder that will blow my skirt up, their aggressive and working with some of the best in what we do to bring that range finder that will make us wonder what the Terrapin was for a far better price point. I know what's coming has me excited!!!

 

[MASH]

I wish I had a the 1600 to compare side by side with the others. I have never had any problems with my Lieca or my Nikon they have always turned on and worked, just not able to range the distance that I need now for the shooting that I do.

 

[geo4061]

bigngreen THANK YOU !! Finally someone that does not want to throw the 1600 to the dogs for a few bucks. Especially when everything about the plastic one is gossip. MASH I know you mean well, however, comparing a 15 year old 1200 to the Sig is just not a worthy comparison. Tell me you are close to DFW and I will meet you and we will run them side by side with no bias and with neither of us with a dog in the fight.

 

[MASH]

bigngreen THANK YOU !! Finally someone that does not want to throw the 1600 to the dogs for a few bucks. Especially when everything about the plastic one is gossip. MASH I know you mean well, however, comparing a 15 year old 1200 to the Sig is just not a worthy comparison. Tell me you are close to DFW and I will meet you and we will run them side by side with no bias and with neither of us with a dog in the fight.

I wish that I was that would be cool. My 1200 is probably 8 yrs old, but point taken. My Nikon is much newer just over a year old. That was my hope when getting the Nikon the newer technology would actually get me to a reliable 800 every time. Even with the 1200 it was suppose to easily reach the 1k mark but never produced those results. I think that Lieca makes a great product and I would have bought the 1600 and was going that direction when this one was released. So I waited to see what people had to say about it and gave it a try. Not wanting to bash any brand just want to post the results that I'm getting and using what I have at hand to compare. No offense taken and I think were on the same thought process as I stated earlier I wish I had a 1600 to compare side by side. Does any one here live in Phoenix? I would be willing to meet somewhere so we could do a side by side so if any one was on the fence about which one to get we could post the results and hopefully help someone with getting a unit they would be happy with.