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Revolver vs auto

I am a Ruger revolver fan. Your GP 100 is a good choice. I also own the XDM 10mm. This is my favorite General purpose gun now. I have the 4.5" model. I'm a large enough guy so that I don't mind conceal carry with it. I like the ability to shoot mild practice loads all the way up to hard cast hot loads for critters with teeth. I've carried Springfield XD type guns for years in a lot of different environments. I've never had a malfunction. I guess anything is possible if you roll around enough to fill the thing with dirt. Glock makes a good gun but I can't see how it would be any better in that regard. If you go with a Glock just be aware you need to be careful with large amounts of cast bullet with the factory barrel. Stick with hard cast bullets and clean it a lot.
 
Josip89, as I read it you need protection from a myriad of toothy animals. Bear, Boar, Wolf, and bobcat. bobcat is the least of the worries here. the big one is the Boars and Bears. wolf is a close second.
from what you stated, you need protection from these big mean toothy adversaries. honestly I am thinking a short barreled rifle over a pistol or revolver. Bear and Boar need the 44 Mag, 454 Cassull, 445 Ultra, 45 Colt+P(Ruger only), 460 S&W, 500 S&W, the Linbaugh series. these are quite franky all revolver cartridges. the 10MM with a 200 grain slug will do the job but you will need a few back up shot to stop a bear or a boar. a more desirable solution for you anyway is a Marlin big bore lever gun; 18.5" "guide gun" series. these come in the 45-70, 450 Marlin, 444 Marlin, and if you get the big bore 1894 series you can get them in 41 Mag, 44 mag, 45 colt, 454 Cassull, 460 S&W and 500 S&W. If you reload your own with the heaviest slugs, shoot them at higher velocities, and use less ammo. the trade-off is these are rifles, not handguns.
your situation has many tough choices. I hope you keep safe and protect yourself well with what ever choice you make. Ah hell I went off and did not remeber this gun choice is a backup for a rifle or am I not understanding one of your last posts? I went under the presumption you were going to use this as a primary defense while in the woods hiking. still my advice is sound. you use it the way you wish to.
 
Revolver or Auto...nah! Get yourself a bb gun!

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I carry a S&W N29, 4" bbl., loaded with .44Mag when Boar hunting with my .575 Shortrifle (also a DAQ bb gun) as a backup. Would the .575 be enough for the big North American Brown Bear...i wouldn't think to try without someone with a ready multi-shot backup out and ready.
Just remember many Grizzle were taken with muzzle loaders shooting lead ball. We must have had more Courage back in our Frontier Nationhood days?

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I totally agree if your able to carry a shotgun or rifle they would be far better than any handgun. Just not practical all the time. I'm not sold on the whole theory of getting multiple rounds off fast. If you make the first one count it will give you time to finish the job. A spray of bullets off they're mark are useless compared to one good hit. When I practice, its for a quick smooth draw and one accurate hit. Then give follow up shots as needed. When I carry a rifle on hikes in bear and moose country it's my Marlin 1895 in 45/70 loaded with 400gr bullets. Otherwise it's a 44 mag or 45 Colt with 300 gr bullets.
 
Just remember many Grizzle were taken with muzzle loaders shooting lead ball. We must have had more Courage back in our Frontier Nationhood days?
Seriously right?! Thanks to quarantine, i got the 30 day free trial of MOTV and have been watching Predator Nation. Fred hammers a a grizzly with a 30-06 shooting 180gr bullets. Like, its legs come out from under it and it wasn't the best angle, strong quartering away from what looked like a couple hundred yards. If you were to ask the guys on this forum if a 30-06 was enough for grizzly, 9/10 would say you need something bigger and it would have to be a magnum. It really is getting ridiculous!
 
I've shot a few elk with a handgun, and a ~600 lb. black bear that made the record book. I hunt elk with a single action .454 Casull. The black bear I took with a Dan Wesson.44 mag shooting 325 grain hard cast bullets at 1300 FPS. I chose the double action DW revolver because it was chambered in the .44, weighed enough to be manageable, and still easily carried and accessed in a chest holster. I could shoot it well enough at short range one handed. I hit the bear in the right side of the chest as he faced me and those 2 bullets both went through that bear end to end penetrating a good 5 feet of bear. I found both slugs under the hide in the back edge of the left hind leg. I couldn't have asked for better performance. I once had a S&W 329 .44 mag. Recoil was so fierce with 240 grain factory loads I couldn't shoot it well enough for even a short range defense gun. My Freedom Arms .454 is one of the most accurate handguns I've ever owned, but for the use you have described I would get another big frame double action revolver in .44 mag or .454
 
Seriously right?! Thanks to quarantine, i got the 30 day free trial of MOTV and have been watching Predator Nation. Fred hammers a a grizzly with a 30-06 shooting 180gr bullets. Like, its legs come out from under it and it wasn't the best angle, strong quartering away from what looked like a couple hundred yards. If you were to ask the guys on this forum if a 30-06 was enough for grizzly, 9/10 would say you need something bigger and it would have to be a magnum. It really is getting ridiculous!

All my bears have been with a .308 or 12 ga. But I think if I was purposefully hunting them it would be something bigger.
 
I have been in a gun fight with the big fury once with a glock 23 and involved in another in which the guy getting chewed on had my 357!
I grabbed a huge stick and hit that bear as hard as I could on top of its head as it chewed on his foot! It let go of the guys leg looked at me and he put two rounds into it as it was grabbing his other leg!
I went to town and bought a 5" 460s&w. I carried it for that fall and went back to and religiously pack my 5" 44 mag.

My biggest issue with a semi auto pistol is if you get into it with something that intends to hurt you, when you push that gun into that threat it unlocks your slide and you now have a short club.
When the crap hits the fan keep it simple and be proficient with what you have!
 
What happen to Your buddy.
How big i bear and any more detail,that is really good experience.
Thanks
 
Defending yourself against man or large carnivorous beasts are two very different environs. At the moment it doesn't matter in that you only want to survive the encounter but there is more to consider when engaging humans vs. critters. In the human encounters one must consider collateral injury to innocents and I don't like the 10mm for those encounters as that round seriously over penetrates, not so much for hunting situations. In your hunting scenarios my first choice would be a short Mossberg 590A1 12 gauge with a few buckshot and some slugs. Buckshot for faster moving aggressors such as wolves or pigs and there is no animal alive where a slug won't be very effective. In my early days of law enforcement nearly 40 years ago I carried a S&W 29 cut to 5 inches and two speed loaders, I could reload in about two seconds and accurately make center target hits. I shot around a thousand rounds a month and practiced technique daily. I did not use magnum loads, for duty I loaded 240 grain Kieth designed bullets at 950fps. which were very accurate and effective on thin skinned people. I also carried that gun while hunting where I could load heavier hard cast bullets at magnum velocities. For hunting and home defense I have transitioned to S&W Governor with two 410 shotgun loads for snakes or other two/four leg critters and 4 45 Long Colt if needed. I hunt mostly in Arkansas where pigs abound and we have an occasional black bear and lots of very large Timber Rattlers. I know that we aren't supposed to kill the snake but if it's him or me, I choose me. Some have recommended a Marlin 1895 45-70, as a pack gun I prefer the Henry in the same cartridge, it's lighter and carries better. One more thing, what ever large caliber handgun you might choose, it will be much more controllable with good porting and I don't recommend really short barreled anything, under four inches looses too much velocity and muzzle blast can permanently damage your hearing.
 
You're going to hear all kinds of stories from people that have never shot a big bear with anything, they seem to be experts on all things that they have no direct knowledge about. I'm not one of those, I'm just a guy that has an opinion about what I prefer to use to protect myself with in the woods.

Personally I feel that you should shoot the biggest caliber that you are comfortable with. By comfortable I mean that if you can get 3 shots in to a realistic kill zone in under 3 seconds then that's the gun that you should be using. All this talk about what caliber is best means nothing if you can't get rounds in to the kill zone when a big animal is running at 30 miles per hour straight toward you. A few years ago there was an older man in Alaska, a professional hunting and fishing guide, who killed an Alaskan Kodiak bear that charged him. He killed that bear at just a few feet from him with a small framed 9mm. The bear died and the man wasn't even injured so caliber isn't all that important (within reason) as long as you have the right ammo and you can put the bullets where they need to go.

I live in rural Montana in the middle of Grizzly country and I have both revolvers and semi-auto pistols, which one I carry just depends on how I feel that day, if I'm tired I'll carry the XDM 10mm, if I feel good then I'll carry the S&W 329 PD lightweight .44mag. I've practiced with both pistols but not nearly enough to really feel good about my skill level, but I'll still carry one or the other if I don't want to carry a rifle, if I'm really scared of running in to a life threatening situation I'll carry one of my short barreled .308 rifles. I carry my pistols in a chest holster so I can keep them from getting packed with fouling that might prevent them from functioning properly. And being that they are easy to remove from the holster, I can check them from time to time to make sure that they are in good condition.

In a real bear attack you wont have the time to get more than a few shots off, maybe 3, so capacity isn't nearly as important as most seem to think. A revolver isn't drastically more dependable than a semi in rural country (the proof is that no military issues a revolver any more - semi-auto pistols are actually more reliable than a revolver when they are covered in mud, twigs, grass, etc.). In my opinion the most reliable pistol in the real world is a striker fired gun (I'd of said weapon but then I'd have to listen to some crazy talk about the definition of the word). A striker fired gun has no openings that will allow crud to get in to the mechanism and prevent it from operating. Revolvers earned a reputation for being more reliable back in the day when 1911's, Browning's, and Luger's, were popular. Back then the technology of semi-auto pistols was in it's infancy and they just weren't as reliable as they are today. Part of that is because today we have better powder, primers, and bullets, but it's also because the designs of some of the semi-autos just weren't very good.

If I were in your shoes I'd buy the XDM 10mm and practice a lot.
Get the xdm 5.25 barrel in 10 mile use cast bullets magazine holds 15 plus rounds better than 6 in a revolver
 
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