Thanx mate for your suggestion it was really help full, I got my rem 504 few weeks back , with 3-9 by 40 leaupold, went out to the range and tryied a lot of hollow points, well mine preffers win power points I must say I am more than happy with the way it shoots, i have shoot it at 50 and 75 yards and it is giving me very tight groups, with 2 or 3 going through the same hole when i fired 5 at each target, I know one thing for sure that the bunny is going no where when i squize the trigger.gun)