SOLD/EXPIRED Rem 700 Ti 7mm-08 w/Leupold Scope

[WeiserBucks]

I do most of my rifle transactions here and feel that we have a pretty good community. Some other forums require XX number of posts before one can access the classifieds . I hope we can weed out the losers and move on without babysitting .

 

[jcoop]

To the OP. You may be a scientist by trade who is trained at doing research . However you obviously lack any social skills or sense of honor. It is obvious from every one of your posts you are incapable of seeing that YOU are the one that has made the mistake, and you obviously see everyone else as taking advantage of you. Do you think everyone else should have told you "No! You should not sell it for that price!"? You set the price, not the buyer. You backed out on the agreed upon price, not the buyer. Put your big boy pants on and accept responsibility for YOUR actions and stop blaming others. You messed up! Then YOU made it worse by not keeping your word. That's a dishonorable person...

 

[fxdwg03]

To the OP. You may be a scientist by trade who is trained at doing research . However you obviously lack any social skills or sense of honor. It is obvious from every one of your posts you are incapable of seeing that YOU are the one that has made the mistake, and you obviously see everyone else as taking advantage of you. Do you think everyone else should have told you "No! You should not sell it for that price!"? You set the price, not the buyer. You backed out on the agreed upon price, not the buyer. Put your big boy pants on and accept responsibility for YOUR actions and stop blaming others. You messed up! Then YOU made it worse by not keeping your word. That's a dishonorable person...

Very good point. He set the initial price and should honor that price. Your word is how you are remembered (good or bad).

 

[TimeOnTarget]

I sold a rifle awhile back. The 1st day i had my inbox completely filled up. Obviously i could have gotten more for it with that many inquiries in the 1st 24 hours. I sold it to the 1st guy who said he'd take it for the listed price. I thought I got a good deal!! i didnt even have to haggle with him

 

[Zmgsvt]

I don't put a value on my word but it's worth more than twice your asking price. This is some scummy, low down stuff you have going on here, OP. Especially for someone that claims not to need the money.

 

[CLP]

I don't see how the OP can use the phrase "ripped off" when someone simply agreed to pay HIS ASKING PRICE. Hopefully this guy gets banned from selling on here at the very least. This was just bad business.

 

[BillLarson]

And I did try to explain my position, and I think it's only fair to put out all of my message to you:

"Some things have come up related to the gun. I plan to send the message below to all who have expressed interest, but wanted to let you know first. The message reads as follows:

"Hello All,

I have had overwhelming interest in my Remington 700 Ti 7-08. Multiple people from various forums have contacted me with offers above my $1,300 asking price. I tried to determine a fair price before posting the ad, but found this quite difficult due to how few of these guns are out there, and how old the ads I found were (most were ~ 5 years old, or more). As a result of all this, I am asking that any of you who are still interested send me your best offer. I will wait 72 hours, then contact the highest bidder. In the event of a tie, I will give preference in the order I received your original notifications of interest in the forums.

Thanks!
Kevin"

I apologize for all this, and understand that you may no longer be interested, but if you are, let me know and maybe we can work something out before I reach out to the other interested parties. Since you were the first to reach out to me, and because I feel bad about renegotiating, I'm even willing to take a bit less than what I think it's worth at this point, if you do decide to continue. I am TRULY not trying to strong-arm you, and I totally get it if you decide to just walk away. I just can't let the gun go for $1,300 as I think it's too low a price. Again, my apologies for the hassle and confusion. Let me know if you have any questions or want more details."

Kevin........ I don`t have a dog in this hunt..... but this deal ruins your name and reputation with me... and I feel many others........ for the extra few hundred $$$ you make on this gun will bring you much loss of sleep...loss of friends... loss of reputation..... you made the mistake..... live with it....
Len should kick you off this site so others won`t be stung.........
bill larson

 

[Hairtrigger]

Usually the guys that are telling the seller his price is too low are wanna be buyers without the cash

 

[d500lnn]

You should never post a firearm unless you are fully prepared to get the price you asked. You should have done better research or any kind. Comparable model not in same caliber. This has been done in poor taste and I bet you may be hard pressed to sell on here. It's a great rifle and scope combo, but dang man....kinda screwed the pooch on this one. Unfortunate for the (supposed to be) buyer and you.

 

[d500lnn]

I would like to add a little more detail as it may prove helpful to some of you, and perhaps to me too. I have two main thoughts. The first relates to my asking price. I was accused of "not doing my research" by Hairtrigger when discussing renegotiating the sale. I pointed out that although I haven't been following online sales regularly, I did do extensive online searching before posting my ad. (The truth is that anyone who knows me will tell you that I tend to overanalyze and over research almost everything I do. I am a trained scientist and teacher, so comes naturally and by training.) The majority of what I found was from 2013, with most firearms priced around $1,300, some with scopes, and some without. I also saw one current ad on Gun Broker with a starting bid of $2,300, but I assumed this was just an outlier; some person asking a ridiculous amount and hoping someone would bite.


When my online posts/ads started immediately getting lots of attention, and people began contacting me making higher offers, it became quite clear that I had undervalued the item. I went back to Google to see if I could find more. Like before, I did a number of different searches, but this time I went about 5 Google pages deep into each search. Despite all this additional searching, I only found a few more ads. That said, they were somewhat helpful, as one was my same gun (model and chambering), and despite being a 2013 ad, the listed price was $1,700 w/ scope. Another was a 2016 ad, and although it was for the less-desirable Alaskan model, the listed price was $1,850 (gun, bases and rings only, though it did have a Jewell trigger). I also found another Alaskan ad, this one from 2012, asking $1675 shipped. I will post ALL links that I've referred to below.


I would also like to point out that during my conversation with Hairtrigger I stated that I really had tried to "do my research," asked him if he could help walk me through what I should have done differently. He said I should have searched for completed transactions in Gun Broker. He and I both got online and tried to accomplish this together, going into the Advanced Search page, but neither of us had any luck. The only other advice he gave was that he knew the value by watching gun sales over time, and as I've said, I don't have that kind of knowledge/experience.


And this brings me to my final thought. You can say that I was foolish, naïve, or didn't do my research. You have a right to your opinion. But another way of looking at it is that someone was trying to take advantage of my lack of knowledge and rip me off. This is a point that was made to me by others who contacted me offering me a higher price, and I think there is something to this idea. My father was a big collector of valuable antique clocks, and also dabbled in rare coins. On more than one occasion he had people offer to sell him items well below what he knew to be their actual value. His response was generally to inform the person that their asking price was too low, and then make them an offer that was mutually beneficial. For example, "I think that clock my actually be worth about $5,000, not the $3,000 you are asking. I'm willing to give you $4,000, and if you would like to try and spend the time and energy finding a buyer willing to pay more, that is your prerogative." You take my point, I'm sure.


In this case, I believe my firearm alone (i.e., without scope/rings/bases) may be worth $2,000. Since I was including a very nice scope/rings/bases in the $1,300, I was essentially asking about HALF that. If someone offers to sell you something you know is being grossly undervalued and you take that offer, you may be lucky, you may be smart, or you may be ripping someone off. If you point out that it's probably worth quite a bit more, to make sure they know what they are doing, then your conscience is clear. If not, in my opinion, you are not being forthright; you are taking advantage of someone, even if you want to justify it by saying "it's their fault; they should have done their research."


Once I discovered I had mistakenly undervalued my item by as much as 100%, I was not going to let it go for that price. This had as much to do with refusing to be taken advantage of as it did with the money. As I told Hairtrigger, both before and after the renegotiation, I don't need the money, and I'm in no hurry to sell the gun. I really like this gun, and always have, and I'll be damned if I'm going to let it go to someone with questionable scruples, as Hairtrigger showed himself to be both by way of trying to "steal" the gun (in the words of another poster), and more importantly, by the rudeness he displayed over the phone, calling me "greedy" (I would argue he was the one being greedy; if he had told me the truth and offered even a little more up front, this almost certainly would not have occurred), and saying that he knew I couldn't be trusted because I wasn't "from the south." When I pointed out I was raised in TX, he accused me of lying since I didn't have an accent (I lived in the Midwest from the age of ~ 10 onward). He also said that this lack of trust is why he had asked I have my FFL ship to his FFL, rather than me shipping directly to his FFL. During our first phone call, he told me this was because I was so new to the forum, and I understood and agreed completely. In hindsight, I think the main reason he wanted this done was because he knew this deal was "too good to be true." My ridiculously low price made him wonder if I was a scammer. This is just further evidence he knew, and was not being completely honest with me. If someone is a little off in their price, that's their business, but when they are WAY off, I think the honest person speaks up.


The following ads/links are listed in the order I found them. 1-4 were found before I posted my ad, and 5-7 were found later, after more extensive searching. I'd love to see some additional ads, especially for the older 700 Ti model, that are newer than 2013. Please share if you know something.


1. 2012 Ad - $1,300 (no scope): http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f25/remington-700-titanium-sale-89793/


2. 2013 Ad - $1,200 (w/scope and hard case): http://www.armslist.com/posts/13509...-remington-model-700-titanium--308-deer-rifle


3. 2013 Ad - $1,300 (w/scope): http://www.armslist.com/posts/18988...olina-rifles-for-sale--remington-700-titanium


4. Current Ad/Auction - $2,295 opening bid: http://www.gunbroker.com/Item/670168060


5. 2013 Ad - $1,700 (w/scope): http://www.armslist.com/posts/14519...for-sale--remington-model-700-titanium-7mm-08


6. 2016 Ad (Alaskan Model; Jewell trigger, rings/bases, no scope) - $1,850: https://www.theoutdoorstrader.com/t...ton-700-titanium-alaskan-guide-model.1245306/


7. 2012 Ad (Alaskan) - $1,675 shipped: http://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/remington-700-ti-in-7mm-08.103087/

Now that I've read all this....you're gonna turn around on a buyer who knew it was a great deal and then act as if he should have offered you more and made your errors in pricing good for your profit. You are a disgrace to even try to justify this in such a way. I never offer anything unless I'm willing to part for the asking price and I never make an offer that I'm not willing to throw down money right then. You must be a typical millennial and I can't imagine you as a teacher. This last post of yours trying to justify your position sent me over the edge. You are a questionable person obviously. No one with any integrity would make this mistake and then act as though it's others fault. May as well shut your account down on this site. You're done. #dickmove

 

[Havingfun]

I'm keeping the gun, because as I've said from the start, I don't need the money, and that's not what this is about.

Interesting; a couple of days ago you proudly proclaimed it wasn't about the money and in fact, you were "keeping the gun". But now, your posting is labeled as "SOLD".
That speaks volumes.

 

[Hairtrigger]

Interesting; a couple of days ago you proudly proclaimed it wasn't about the money and in fact, you were "keeping the gun". But now, your posting is labeled as "SOLD".
That speaks volumes.

It was marked sold after I spoke with him on the phone and agreed to buy it at his asking price plus shipping, just as his ad stated

 

[Tall Pine]

Some people just cannot admit they are wrong, and fess up to their horrible lapse in judgment. He threw gas on his own dumpster fire trying to imply some wrongdoing by the prospective Buyer. Unbelievable.

 

[Havingfun]

It was marked sold after I spoke with him on the phone and agreed to buy it at his asking price plus shipping, just as his ad stated

Thanks for clarifying Hairtrigger. I guess I can take one of the logs away from the pile to burn him at the stake. I think there's already enough there to be picked up on satellite imagery already.