The Maker bullets are where it's at. I'd even skip the Hornady Sub-X, no comparison in expansion. The Makers open into nice all copper flowers. I use the 180s in my Blackout because the 200s wouldn't fully stabilize. Have not expansion tested one of those, but I built a bolt action 458 SOCOM specifically for the 500gr Maker bullet. Shot it into milk jugs, the first two were completely destroyed and it stopped in the 5th as a nice flower. I didn't get a chance to shoot a deer with one yet but given that test I'm fully confident in them.