There's a place where I can shoot--there's usually up to 10 others shooting and/or spotting--safely to 1640 yards not very far from here. However, although one can--and years ago I did--shoot the full mile most consider that too risky these days. Additionally there's a trail that runs down the center and in spite of excellent visibility, literally for miles, That trail has always frightened me; I really don't want to shoot someone. If there's a vehicle there, but no-one around we don't shoot as they could be on that trail or just off it in the brush. There's no other access to this trail than where we park. Long story short I got the Sig BDX 3000s so I can take the entire range and hilltop when spotting and since they were/are availavble for less that a grand when sales pop up... Although I tend to be OCD for real about optics; I'll spend more on the scope than the rifle under it if I have too. So the Sigs shocked me. Not only did they deliver my goal, but in spades with a rangefinder/communicator to my 5700 to boot! I can live with shocks like this.