Ramblings and Such From Hunting Coyote

Guy's , in my area the coyote has been relentlessly hunted for several generations of sheep ranchers and yet there are coyote to be hunted . They have adapted to all the ways that people have tried to eliminate them . We have a lot of coyote that will not eat on anything that they didn't kill if it has any human scent on or around it . The use of poisoned bait stations was banned by Nixon in 1972 but yet to this day there are coyote that know not to eat human offerings . The government said that if you see one figure that there are 10 more that you don't see in most areas . Myself personally I like to read the tracks and let them tell me what the numbers are in an area . Coyote are gifted with four paw drive and will use it to it's max some of them can be tagged and will die within 1.5 miles of where they were tagged as pups in the den . Still others will travel long distances . In the 70's a coyote pup was tagged in Montana and a couple of years latter it was killed in Kansas . I have taken coyote that I'm sure had traveled into my area from South Dakota when they had a long cold spell and deep snow while we had a mild winter , granted that is only a couple of hundred miles . When it's mating season they are kind of like young men they will go far to find a girlfriend . When we have an opening for a good job we will move to take it so will they it's just that their job isn't to make money but to live with the least amount of energy expended . So now we have some good place to raise grain here in my area that means that there is a good food base for the coyote to utilize , mice , rabbits , antelope , deer and yes some livestock . but out of that valley there aren't any good farming areas maybe it's only 10 - 30 miles away so when we make an opening in the good areas the coyote being the vocal type listen to the others talking and they don't hear from the ones that used to proclaim their ownership of that area for a few nights , normally after we have called it a day and gone home to watch the news or what ever it is we do when the sun sets , they will go over to see what's going on and low and behold find no body home so they hunt and find that they can fill their bellies easier here then back home . So a shift starts to take place and they stay in the new area and begin to proclaim it theirs leaving an opening to be filled where they came from which another coyote soon fills . It may come from an area that has too many coyote for the given food base to carry or it may be one of the pups from last spring that didn't leave home quit yet . So we can see that like when we throw a stone in a lake there is a ripple effect when we kill a coyote there will be a series of coyote movement by the mobile coyote . In the past there were studies done by others then myself that said they figured that 70 percent of a given years pups would need to be taken just to keep the coyote numbers even .
 
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My personal experience by doing denning work is that the litter size depends on the food base as well as the numbers of coyote in a given area to consume that food base . I have on good feed years with lower coyote numbers taken several dens with up to 13 pups in them . But on the other hand when the prey base was low or the coyote numbers were up they would only average 5 pups to the den . I found that to be an interesting thing to me they some how did what was needed for a given circumstance . Most likely due to the well being of the female at the time of the breading season .
 
Reemty thank You sir , It was my job to kill problem coyote and quite a few of them had been hunted by others that weren't slouches at killing coyote . So then I found that I needed to know the coyote well in order to do that as efficiently and as expediently as I could . If my memory is working well I think that when I read The Art of War by Sun Tzu one of his sayings was to know your enemy well or in my case know your opponent well . I do have a respect for the coyote for a lot of different reasons their intelligence being only one .
 
Over the years I have been blessed by the privilege of having been able to visit with and study from some extremely gifted coyote control people . Some of them still working at it and a great many who have now passed on . There are some in the big sky country that are very great hunters ,trappers and callers . There are some in Wyoming , Colorado , Texas , Kansas and many other states who are very talented at dealing with the coyote . I have found that most of these people are friendly , quiet , and humble . They are willing to share what they know and have experienced with people that are truly wanting to learn and become better at coyote work . I have also learned from them and others with like minds that if you once show your backside and act a fool they will clam up and you will have h12l to pay to ever get any information from them in your life time . I first encountered people like this a life time ago in a world far removed from the world we live in today and have been able to let them be my teachers and learned to respect them for who they were and are .
 
Reemty , That is what they were it's call sore mouth and the sheep people vaccinate the lambs for it at docking time . It's caused by a virus just as warts are caused by HPV in humans . Thus the reason we carry protective gloves in a zip loc bag for our own good .
 
Reemty , That is what they were it's call sore mouth and the sheep people vaccinate the lambs for it at docking time . It's caused by a virus just as warts are caused by HPV in humans . Thus the reason we carry protective gloves in a zip loc bag for our own good .
Took the words right out of my mouth lol. We have sheep so going to suggest that too.
 
For most of my life I've had a gift that at the same time is a curse . Being able to solve problems that were created by others most often by them having good intentions and trying to do their best . One time an engineer called me in a panic . They had forgotten to order a pressure tap for a steam line that ran at 800 degrees with 2100 pounds of pressure on it so it was to be machined out of some not so standard metal . When he called to order one they told him it would be 16 days out with a setup fee , a rush order fee and air freight to get it there . So then I ask him do you have that spare piece of main steam line and a field drawing of the fitting . Well yes why ? So I can make you one it's the right metal to do that with . 12 hours latter he had his tap got a bonus and a good meal saved the company a million dollars a day in shut down for 16 days . I got 12 hours of pay and a thank you and a good feeling for being able to just some how know how to fix that problem that wasn't really that big of a deal to me . I have been called to fix all sorts of problems dealing with coyote or other predators caused by well meaning people . We've been after these two coyote for a month and they're still here killing lambs . We can get them to answer but when the chopper gets here they can't find them . Still other days they will come in to about 500 yards and just set and watch us . Our usual guy can't get them can you help ? Ok then what all have you tried ? Where are they in general I don't need the exact location . So I start my day where they say they are and yes one is just setting out there about 500 yards watching the world around himself . Range him with the scope figure the change in elevation to him for the angle get my self set up and drop him . Ok that's one of the two taken care of so now then the tracking starts so I can know where the other one is spending most of it's time and where I can kill it . As it turns out there is a trail that they have been using a lot coming into the real rough bad lands type area they are living in that makes it way easier for me . So here I set a trap and go home . The next morning I have an old female in the trap number two taken care of . But now having been around coyote for awhile I need to find the den as that is the drive for them to be killing lambs . So the tracks all point to them being in that rough stuff . From up on the ridge looking it over there is a road down below all this rough stuff so that's where I want to be , walking up hill when I'm rested and down hill when I'm tired and hot makes sense to me . I find my way down there and start the tracking on foot as it turned out that was a good move because near the bottom of this rough steep stuff with the loose ground was a good trail with their tracks coming and going that lead me right to the den with eight pups in it not even an 1/8 mile of walking up hill . So then the rancher ask me if I would work for them and replace the usual guy . Thank you for the offer but I can't do that . They did replace the guy as they decided he was costing them more then he was saving them and in the end it's still all about them making a living . Perhaps I am a little autistic in the area of solving problems for others who knows I don't I just know that it seems to come easy for me and hard for others and when that is the job at hand that is what I'm going to get done . My Granddad told me often the road to H!@L is paved with good intentions . I still miss him and what he had for me to learn from him 50 years on down the road !
 
Grandpas and Great Grandpas are all cool people usually.....I am a grandpa, but probably not to the cool stage yet. That was a detailed description of what I knew right away with you Dave, that is why I call you CSI Why-Dam-O -Ming ;) 🤝 I use your ideas and thought process to clean out foxes and coyotes around the Bird Preserve I manage...……..the average weekend coyote killer may not appreciate all the detail but I sure as heck DO!!
 
My way of doing ANYTHING is to do it the best I can period. It don't matter how many days any of us get to hunt as I don't get many to chase coyote but the info in this thread has just makes my time more well spent. Thanks to all!
 
If I take the time and brake down what goes through my mind when I go out to a control call I won't be picking on any one person but will use training tools much like your coach or a DI would . What I do isn't only affecting me it affects every one around the same as when you kill a pair of coyote it starts a chain reaction of movement for the coyote in that area . So I had a guy that I worked with that probably had the highest I Q of any body I had worked with . His son enlisted in the Marine Corps . One day he asked can you explain this to me then ask , the other day they moved my sons company to a different barracks but when they went to inspect the old barracks someone had left a chew can of spit setting in them . The CO kicked that can against the wall and then the whole group had to police the barracks again for most of the night what the f!@#$ was that all about ? I looked at him and said what you do can cause things to happen to the rest of the group leave the place like there had never been anybody there . He smiled and said ok now that makes sense I'll tell him when we talk again . Latter I will break down what I though when I went out on that call and why I knew to have those thoughts because not all of us have had the same experiences and chances to learn .
 
Dave, your story of fixing the steam line is a common one that happens when you have old pros working for you. I used to call on a lot of the mines and plants in your area. Most of the old pros are gone and now they have resorted to paying large amounts of special fees and airfreight because no machinists are around anymore. My company made a huge turret bearing for a steel mill in southern California. It cost $100,000. The day it was being shipped one of our old pro engineers happened to be at the plant when it came out of the truck on a flat bed. He about had a heart attack when he saw how it was not being supported correctly. He went ballistic until they fixed the problem. That bearing has a one year lead time. If they would have transported it as they originally planned it would have been ruined by the time it got to the destination. Our engineers asked the steel mill if they could help install it because we didn't want them screwing up the installation. They gladly excepted our help. When they were done they told our engineers we had shaved of two days of installation time by our engineers being there. That saved them $750,000,000 in lost production. They took us to dinner that night. Those old pros are fading away. And it's costing corporations lots of money.
 
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